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PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 10:10 am    Post subject: Bush Can't Afford Inaction on Iran Reply with quote

Bush Can't Afford Inaction on Iran

September 09, 2004
The Los Angeles Times
Max Boot

Source URL : http://iranvajahan.net/cgi-bin/news.pl?l=en&y=2004&m=09&d=09&a=4

Hyped reports about an Israeli "mole" in the Pentagon are falling apart faster than the Kerry campaign. It now seems likely that the analyst in question was, at worst, guilty of mishandling a classified document, not espionage. According to news accounts, the memo he's accused of passing to pro-Israel lobbyists called for U.S. support of Iranian dissidents trying to overthrow their dictatorial government. This may not be spy-novel stuff, but it does raise an important question: Why hasn't President Bush implemented the recommendations reportedly contained in the Pentagon paper?

The case for action seems overwhelming in light of Bush's oft-stated warning: "Either you are with us or you are with the terrorists." There is no question which side Iran is on.

The State Department calls Iran the "most active state sponsor of terrorism in the world." Much of its support goes to groups like Hezbollah and Hamas, but the 9/11 commission also reported that Al Qaeda members — including eight to 10 of those involved in the airplane attacks on the United States — were allowed to use Iran as a transit route to and from training camps in Afghanistan. A number of Al Qaeda operatives remain in Iran, ostensibly under house arrest but in all likelihood allowed to carry on their deadly work.

Iran has trained and armed Muqtada Sadr's militia, which has been attacking U.S. forces in Iraq. Former Iranian President Hashemi Rafsanjani, the cleric who now heads an influential government council, makes no bones about what his country is up to. In an April sermon, he declared that the situation in Iraq posed "a threat because the wounded American beast can take enraged actions, but it is also an opportunity to teach this beast a lesson so it won't attack another country."

Why would Iran be worried about being attacked by the United States? Because it is close to producing a nuclear bomb. It is also working on missiles with the range to strike targets in Europe and North America, though the likeliest vehicles for delivering an Iranian nuke would be its terrorist networks. Hassan Abasi, a senior member of the Revolutionary Guards, recently boasted that Iran had "a strategy drawn up for the destruction of Anglo-Saxon civilization."

Faced with this grave and gathering threat, John F. Kerry advocates appeasement. He recommends making a deal for Iran to give up its nuclear weapons program in return for U.S. concessions, such as helping it to build "civilian" nuclear reactors. There's no reason to think this approach would work any better than a similar accord with North Korea in 1994. Iran has already violated a 2003 agreement with Britain, France and Germany to curtail its nuclear weapons development. The mullahs are hellbent on going nuclear; they are not going to give up what one Iranian newspaper editor calls "the rare pearl for which we have labored greatly."

If we can't trust Tehran to make a deal, then we need a more confrontational approach. A military strike can't be ruled out, but it would be hard to pull off, especially without better intelligence than we had on Iraqi weapons of mass destruction. Luckily, Iran has a robust opposition movement that makes peaceful change from within a feasible alternative.

Self-styled realists claim that the tyrants of Tehran can't be budged, but then that's what they said about the Soviet commissars too, right up until the fall of the Berlin Wall. As in the Soviet bloc, most people in Iran have lost faith in their rulers. Many have even braved regime goons to protest in the streets. If they can succeed in establishing a representative government, it will not matter whether Iran has nuclear weapons, any more than it matters that India, Israel, France or any other democracy has nukes. Conversely, even without nukes, the terrorist-sponsoring mullahs would remain a major threat. We need to focus on the nature of the regime, not simply the nature of its weapons.

Bush has recognized the need for democratization in the Middle East, yet, oddly enough, he doesn't seem to be doing much to help Iranian freedom fighters. Bush's own deputy secretary of State has said that regime change is not U.S. policy. I hope this is just a ruse to hide covert actions, but I fear it's the truth. On Iran, as in so many other areas, the administration seems to be paralyzed by disagreements between Defense Department hawks and State Department doves. If Bush doesn't break through this gridlock soon, he will greatly undermine his claim to offer strong leadership in the war on terror.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great article. As I said in my other post, I hope the President is taking advantage of the presence of American troops in two bordering nations (Iraq and Afghanistan) to begin offering covert support to the Iranian freedom fighters.

But it is possible that he's not doing this. I wish we knew for sure. What we do know is that the American public needs to be better informed of the truth. Hopefully articles like this one - and sites like Free Iran - will make the difference.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He has been paralysed on Iran, and will continue to be. He's afraid of the hundreds of thousands of Islamist militia fleeing Iran and pouring into Iraq. Bush has only had resolve on one foreign policy issue, and that is Iraq. He's been paralysed and indecisive on Iran, and can't even unify his own cabinet about it. 3 years after his Axis of Evil speech, which now turns out to have been cover for his singular Iraq tunnelvision with which he came into the White Office, he still doesn't have an Iran policy! And look at the total lack of leadership in Iraq, as it turns into Lebanon. Bush was only 'resolved' on one thing, Iraq, he's been paralysed about everything else!
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 10:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JUST DON'T PUSH HIM TOO MUCH OR TOO FAR!

REMEMBER:

WE CAN'T AFFORD NO MESSY ACTIONS EITHER!

what do you want the guy to do? bomb Iran?

Get a grip people! Find a solution on your own, what makes you think Bush has all the answers? he's just some bus boy like the rest of them politicians, taking orders and serving the food.

you must look into the chefs of the political world, and find the recipe makers in the underworld.


You want some answers, talk to the big brothers behind the scenes,

ofcourse it'll be helpful to have a list of names and records first!


DEAR BIG SHOTS IN THE UNDERWORLD:

IF ANYONE BLOWS UP NUKES IN IRAN, IN ANY FORM,

WE'LL COME AFTER YOU, ONE BY ONE,
AND PUBLISH YOUR NAMES AND RECORDS!

EVERY ONE WHO'S ANYONE IN THE UNDERWORLD
WILL BE FOLLOWED AND REPORTED!

LET IRANINAS LIVE FREELY, OR ELSE.



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 13, 2004 2:42 pm    Post subject: Bush inaction Reply with quote

interloper writes

http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm?Class=3

No ones gonna bomb any countryies. Taking the restraints off of Pro Iran Democracy Fighters is a first step. This will be a war supported from within with a highly educated, younger base.
It'll be Fine Wink

Go to site - look for Democrats - Go to a search engine type "running against (democrat) - Send a smal donation to the Republican who is running against that democrat EVEN IF your not from that state you can contribute.

For instance Repub. John Thune is running against Tom Dashel (SDakota), the chief obstrctionist against freedom in the Middle East.
Senator Rick Santourm (PA) is a repubican who joined with other actually writing a pretty infomative bill/law requesting measures to aid a Free Iran.
God Bless,
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 13, 2004 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is this guy spamming the board?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 6:44 am    Post subject: Re: Bush inaction Reply with quote

ken burch wrote:
interloper writes

http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm?Class=3

No ones gonna bomb any countryies. Taking the restraints off of Pro Iran Democracy Fighters is a first step. This will be a war supported from within with a highly educated, younger base.
It'll be Fine Wink

Go to site - look for Democrats - Go to a search engine type "running against (democrat) - Send a smal donation to the Republican who is running against that democrat EVEN IF your not from that state you can contribute.

For instance Repub. John Thune is running against Tom Dashel (SDakota), the chief obstrctionist against freedom in the Middle East.
Senator Rick Santourm (PA) is a repubican who joined with other actually writing a pretty infomative bill/law requesting measures to aid a Free Iran.
God Bless,
interloper
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Thanks for the info.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2004 4:26 pm    Post subject: How True.......How True! Reply with quote

How True this is......


Iran poses unique danger

Posted: September 16, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern



© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com

We are witnessing what should be a familiar "dance of deception" that has been used by every rogue power in its pursuit of nuclear weapons.

First, the rogue nation will claim it needs nuclear reactors for peaceful production of energy. In the case of Iran, which is awash with oil, it is hard to claim this with a straight face.

Second, there is the clandestine hiring of foreign experts to help with the project – usually this is kept secret as long as possible.

Third, there is the attempted secret building of uranium enrichment facilities.

Fourth, once this is discovered, there is the stalling and stonewalling of the International Atomic Energy Agency. The rogue nation finally allows only limited, controlled inspections of its facilities. And then there is the usual hand wringing of Western nations as they attempt to rein in the rogue nation with diplomacy, threats of economic sanctions and bribes.

All the while the rogue nation secretly continues at top speed to finish the facilities needed to make the bomb, while vociferously denying it has any intention of building an atomic bomb.

This did not work in Pakistan. It did not work in North Korea. It was not working in Libya until the rapid U.S. military victory over Iraq caused Moammar Gadhafi to realize it could happen to him. And it certainly is not going to work in Iran.

Iran put the acquisition of nuclear weapons on the fast track in February of 1991. At that time, the Mad Mullahs in charge hired some 273 world-class nuclear scientists from Russia to come and help them with their program. They have since had the added help of North Korea and China. Not to mention the clandestine purchase of crucial equipment from the Western black market and financing by European investment capital.

But the real point to grasp is that Iran poses a unique danger. The particular mind-set of the Shiite Ayatollahs should send a chill down everyone's spine. Their particular brand of Muslim thinking involves a heavy emphasis on the glory of dying for Allah in the cause of destroying His enemies.

The following threat should be taken seriously. Acting Revolutionary Guards Commander Gen. Mohammad Baqer Zolqadr warned, "If Israel fires one missile at Booshehr atomic power plant, it should permanently forget about Dimona nuclear centre, where it produces and keeps its nuclear weapons, and Israel would be responsible for the terrifying consequence of this move." This infers that Iran already has at least a few deliverable atomic bombs.

The greatest diplomatic mistake of modern times is when Jimmy Carter-led-America stood by and let the Ayatollah Khomeini drive out the Shah so that he could return from exile and take Iran in a headlong fundamentalist charge back to the Quran-glorified 7th-century culture of the Arabian Peninsula.

This is what started the modern worldwide Muslim fundamentalist revival that threatens the entire Western world today. Virtually all terrorism in the world today comes from the offsprings of the ayatollah's inspiration.

The prospect of these fanatical Muslim fundamentalist zealots possessing nuclear-tipped ballistic missiles should frighten the entire Western world. It should drive us into immediate action to prevent it at any costs.

This time bomb is already ticking and the window of opportunity to stop it is quickly closing.

Not one of the rogue nations bent upon obtaining nuclear weapons has been stopped by diplomacy and threats of economic sanctions. The Clinton administration tried paying North Korea not to continue its uranium enrichment program. It did not work.

The leader of North Korea is a pussycat compared to the religious driven ayatollahs of Iran. It is time to act now. I believe the alternative is to see hundreds of thousands vaporize in an atomic cloud.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A bigger danger is just to the North of Iran. Putin is starting to make a move on war action. Here is the link.
http://p080.ezboard.com/fthefinalphasefrm18.showMessage?topicID=6287.topic

PUTIN EXPOSES US-UK TERROR STRATEGY BEHIND SCHOOL ATROCITY; RUSSIAN PRESS BLASTS ANGLO-SAXON TERRORIST CONTROLLERS

Can't vouch for this site, but if true, Putin's supposed comments to Le Monde are mindblowing.

inn.globalfreepress.com/m...toryid=793

Quote:
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Putin, a KGB veteran who knows whereof he speaks, told the gathering that the school massacre showed that “certain western circles would like to weaken Russia, just as the Romans wanted to destroy Carthage.” He thus suggested that the US and UK, not content with having bested Russia in the Cold War, now wanted to proceed to the dismemberment and total destruction of Russia a Carthaginian peace like the one the Romans finally imposed at the end of the Punic Wars in 146 BC, when they poured salt into the land of Carthage so nothing would every grow there again. (Le Monde, September 8, 2004)

“There is no link between Russian policy in Chechnya and the hostage-taking in Beslan,” said Putin, meaning that the terrorists were using the Chechen situation as a pretext to attack Russia. According to a paraphrase in Le Monde: “The aim of that international terrorism, supported more or less openly by foreign states, whose names the Russian president didn’t want to name, is to weaken Russia from the inside, by criminalizing its economy, by provoking its disintegration through propagating separatism in the Caucasus and the transformation of the region into a staging ground for actions directed against the Russian Federation.”

“Mr. Putin,” continues Le Monde, “reiterated the accusation he had launched in a veiled form against western countries which appear to use double-talk. On the one side, their leaders assure the Russian President of their solidarity in the fight against terrorism. On the other hand, the intelligence services and the military – ‘who have not abandoned their Cold War prejudices,’ in Putin’s words -- entertain contacts with those the international press calls the ‘rebels.’ ‘Why are those who emulate Bin Laden called terrorists and the people who kill children, rebels? Where is the logic?’ asked Vladimir Putin, and then gave the answer: ‘Because certain political circles in the West want to weaken Russia just like the Romans wanted to destroy Carthage.’ ‘But, continued Putin, “we will not allow this scenario to come to pass.’”

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 18, 2004 4:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting link, thanks Falcon.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 18, 2004 5:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't trust Putin.. First of all, he is becoming an authoritarian leader (like he American Enterprise Institute and the White House warned recently ) -

Then, he is still SELLING nuclear capabilities to the Mullahs.

Never forget that he (and the Mullahs) might be behind the murder of the American journalist , author of "Millionaire Mullahs" who put too many questions to both the Russian regime and the Mullahs'.

Putin must STOP doing business with the Mullahs and selling them nuclear capabilities.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 18, 2004 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stefania,
If you look at every rogue nation with a dangerous leader, who's weapons do you see in their hands? Russian! The Russians have flooded the world with their weapons and will sell to anybody. I don't even doubt that they have already sold several nukes to people like al queada. They sell to anyone and don't give a damn about the consequences. This has been the case for decades and I don't think it will ever change.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 18, 2004 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, and the Mullahs will not mind to nuke Israel with made-in-Russia weapons..
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 18, 2004 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sure Bush is behind the Beslan massacre...

OK, a dubious website citing a dubious Webster Griffin Tarpley supposedly from a somewhat dubious newspaper (Le Monde...) citing a desparate dictator's desparate attempts to shake off his own responsibility for the unforgivable Russian messup in dealing with the Beslan situation - sure, I buy that, no proof is needed to conclude beyond any reaonable doubt that like everything else that's wrong with this planet, this too is Bush's fault.

And on a happier note, I really don't get the mullahs anymore - seems like the IRI is determined to continue the path that inevitably leads to its own destruction. Hope they won't try to take anyone with them.

God bless the people of Iran!
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 1:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Snooze - believe me, the mullahs will try to take as many innocents with them as possible. THey care nothing for the country of Iran but only for themselves. They are greedy billionaires and will be difficult for sure to remove unless the Iranian people rise up and free Iran - and also the United States must really stand behind the Iranian people. Otherwise - this war on terror is really a bullshit kind of war - as long as you don't really side with the people of the regions and help to make them more free.
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