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Rasker
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 Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2005 5:30 pm Post subject: Has Europe agreed to support real democracy in Iran? |
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http://www.regimechangeiran.com/
DoctorZin reports, 3.23.2005:
Has Europe agreed to support real democracy in Iran, if the negotiations fail?
The Voice of America quoted US National Security Advisor Stephen Hadley as saying the Europeans and the U.S. now agree on an agenda for Iran:
"Which is not only dealing with the nuclear issue, but also dealing with Iranian sponsorship for terror, obstruction of the Middle East peace process, and also failure to give freedom and democracy to their people."
White House National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley says that the United States believes that "the cause of freedom for the Iranian people has been advanced by the understandings we've reached with the Europeans."
Let's hope this is true.
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ah.
glad you brought that up. I've been chasing that quote around a little and found the source. Not that I generally visit FOX News (call it a personal preference), but its from an interview Chris Wallace had with the Bush's new security advisor, Stephen J. Hadley. (<- a "critical" review)
here's the transcript and here's where they talk about the Islamic Republic...
| Quote: | WALLACE: Let's turn to Iran (search). The administration announced a new policy toward Iran this week, that they are going to join the Europeans in offering economic incentives to Iran if Iran agrees to permanently stop its uranium enrichment.
I want to play something that the president said during the State of the Union address. Let's take a look. Here it is.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Iran remains the world's primary state sponsor of terror, pursuing nuclear weapons while depriving its people of the freedom they seek and deserve.
To the Iranian people I say tonight: As you stand for your own liberty, America stands with you.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
WALLACE: Mr. Hadley, I understand that the incentives that you're offering to Iran are quite limited, but doesn't the mere fact that the U.S. and the Europeans are going to be dealing with the ruling regime in Iran, doesn't that give them strength and — not strength and not — perhaps at the expense of the democratic opposition in Iran?
HADLEY: Well, these are not concessions that we are offering to Iran. They are not concessions. What we have done is removed our objection to two elements of a package that the Europeans are putting together that they want to offer Iran in negotiations the Europeans are conducting with Iran to try and get Iran to give up its nuclear weapons ambitions.
We've talked to the Europeans about it. It's clear if those negotiations fail, then we are agreed with the Europeans that the next step is to take the matter to the U.N. Security Council.
The other thing that's important that's been achieved this week is that the Europeans have joined us in our agenda about Iran, which is not only dealing with the nuclear issue but also dealing with Iranian sponsorship for terror, obstruction of the Middle East peace process, and also failure to give freedom and democracy to their people. But the Europeans have come on to our agenda.
WALLACE: But let me just follow on this question of the incentives. What they're talking about — and I understand it would take some years — is not objecting to Iran joining the World Trade Organization (search), allowing them to buy spare parts for their civilian airliners.
I guess my question is: The mere fact that the U.S. would join in, even though we're not going to be direct parties, engaging the ruling regime, doesn't that work to strengthen it and not the democratic opposition?
HADLEY: We don't feel we are engaging the regime. Again, what we are doing is removing some objection to something the Europeans are doing.
But I do not think that the Iranian regime can take much comfort in this, because, as part of this arrangement, the Europeans now for the first time are talking about Iranian support to terror and the need for this Iranian regime to listen to their people and to give them a greater role in the political process.
So on balance, we think that the cause of freedom for the Iranian people has been advanced by the understandings we've reached with the Europeans.
WALLACE: What is the U.S. doing concretely to back up the president's pledge in that State of the Union address we just heard to help the democratic opposition in Iran?
HADLEY: Well, one of the things we are doing, of course, is exactly the president's statement: making clear that we and the rest, increasingly the international community, stand with the people of Iran in their effort to get more freedom in their own country.
WALLACE: But beyond rhetoric, what are we doing?
HADLEY: The other thing we can do and are doing is encouraging the process of exchanges with elements of Iranian society. The other thing that is very useful is that this is still a society for which communication and the Internet is available, and we want to get the word of the progress that is being made in the region as a whole to the Iranian people.
There is a wave of freedom that is sweeping this region. You see it in elections in Saudi Arabia, elections in Iraq, now presidential elections that will be multi-party in Egypt. And we think that is going to give great hope to those people in Iran who want greater freedom in their own country.
WALLACE: Just briefly to wrap this part up, Iran yesterday rejected the idea of these economic incentives and said they would never agree to permanently stop the uranium enrichment, which, as they point out validly, they are allowed to do under the nuclear nonproliferation treaty.
Question: Do you regard their negative statement yesterday as a final, firm "no"?
HADLEY: Look, this is a negotiating process between the Europeans and the Iranians. And it's not surprising to hear those statements. But I would point out, at the same time those statements you were talking about being made, President Khatami (search) was also saying that they were open for discussions on the kinds of guarantees and assurances they could give to the world that they were not seeking a nuclear weapon.
So the negotiation is still going on.
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sounds like maybe they DO have a working perspective on it. maybe. but it DOES sound promising. seems to me there's some EU countries I'm sure would rather let the new agenda drag the press around than have their history scrutinized.
peace,
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I know it's been said before, but ...
Faster, please. |
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EUROPE HASN'T CHANGED A BIT@
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BitWhys
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| haleh wrote: | | EUROPE HASN'T CHANGED A BIT@ |
we'll see. keep in mind its Big Business, not the government themselves that profit.
look for Total Oil out of France to get trashed in the Oil-for-Food scandal. The big audit is due out at the end of the month. That would be a good indicator.
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The thing is that big money will always bet on the likely winners. If the Mullahs start looking like a 'losing horse' or 'bad bet', and the democratic-coalition-in-exile starts looking like the next government of Iran, it should be possible to not only get the business interests to temporarily constrict money flows to the regime, but to pressure their governments to do the same, and to get both to help support the forces of peaceful change with funds and other help.
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| Rasker wrote: | | The thing is that big money will always bet on the likely winners. If the Mullahs start looking like a 'losing horse' or 'bad bet', and the democratic-coalition-in-exile starts looking like the next government of Iran, it should be possible to not only get the business interests to temporarily constrict money flows to the regime, but to pressure their governments to do the same, and to get both to help support the forces of peaceful change with funds and other help. |
bingo.
its all about sales.
the technology of velvet revolution is proving itself in country after country, sometimes even going a little over the top. the more it can be shown that the popular movement in the Islamic Republic is a real and powerful force within its borders and the more credibility the voices of the exiles of all persuasions can garner, the more momentum can be given to what is at this moment perhaps little more than rhetoric in the right direction.
everyone loves a winner.
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