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Erica Jong to Middle Eastern Women: Drop Dead

 
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asher



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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2005 8:56 pm    Post subject: Erica Jong to Middle Eastern Women: Drop Dead Reply with quote

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/theblog/archive/erica-jong/laura-bush-desperate-hou_1512.html

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Now that Laura Bush is back from the Middle East and can take off her black scarf, it's time to ask why she is promoting freedom for women in the Middle East when the rights of American women are being systemically eroded by her husband's initiatives. Is it the same reason why her husband promotes democracy abroad while the Patriot Act and the suspension of the Geneva Convention dilute democracy at home? Is wearing the headscarf the last refuge of a desperate housewife? Of course women in the Middle East need the vote, an end to domestic violence and free access to contraception. But so do we. Odd that it is always easier to proselytize for feminism abroad while ignoring deteriorating womens' rights at home.

Laura Bush is an impressive spokeswoman. Throughout her tenure as First Lady, she has ignored women's reproductive rights at home, ignored the way her husband's proposed social security changes would impoverish older women, and ignored the freedom to read compromised by the Patriot Act (strange for a librarian). Of course we've all experienced the exhilaration of travelling abroad and suddenly being able to speak freely about things we would not say in Texas or Washington. Laura Bush is one desperate housewife whose talent we could really use at home. Let Mr. Excitement go to sleep at nine. Laura Bush is the one with all the sense anyway. And she's a good speaker. If only she would use it here!
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PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2005 7:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Erica Jong to Middle Eastern Women: Drop Dead Reply with quote

Wow, this woman is a hack...no wonder Huffington's blog has been totally unsuccessful.

Has this woman ever been to Washington, DC? The city voted 90% for John Kerry. I work three blocks from the White House and still three Kerry bumper stickers for every Bush one. Lyndon LaRouche and pals protest like every week. So do a bunch of other lefties. Am I really to think that there is some prohitibiton on speech here?

And I don't get it, Ms. Jong is blathering about Lura Bush not standing up for "reproductive rights"(read:abortion). Did she ever read that Laura is not known for being "pro-choice?"

Oy.
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PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2005 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are so many galling things about this piece that I don't even know where to begin. I guess what annoys me the most is the equivalency of "Middle Eastern women are oppressed - and we're oppressed, too."

If she just wanted to advocate for a feminist or social liberal agenda, I'd say fine - let's have that conversation. But she feels she has to take something away from Mideastern women to make her point. It's almost as if she resents Middle Eastern women for being more oppressed than women in America.

Laura Bush isn't doing enough to promote women's rights? So where has Erica Jong been while Iranian women have been whipped, gang-raped, tortured, and hanged in public?
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PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2005 6:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, at least Erica was on the losing side of a free and fair election, lost in large part because voters care about standing up for freedom in places like Iraq and Iran. I guess she has a problem with that, but its a small world Erica, and getting smaller all the time.

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PostPosted: Sat May 28, 2005 12:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

asher wrote:
There are so many galling things about this piece that I don't even know where to begin. I guess what annoys me the most is the equivalency of "Middle Eastern women are oppressed - and we're oppressed, too."

If she just wanted to advocate for a feminist or social liberal agenda, I'd say fine - let's have that conversation. But she feels she has to take something away from Mideastern women to make her point. It's almost as if she resents Middle Eastern women for being more oppressed than women in America.

Laura Bush isn't doing enough to promote women's rights? So where has Erica Jong been while Iranian women have been whipped, gang-raped, tortured, and hanged in public?


Allow me to be blunt, its only because that Ms. Jong doesn't have un-fettered access to an abortion at 8.5 months pregnant that she thinks she is as oppressed as a woman in Iran.

Susan Sarandon made a similar comment at the Planned Parenthood rally last year. She said something like "the Muslim countries have the same position on abortion as the Bush Administration and the Vatican" which was to liken the Bush Administration to the Mullahs or the Saudi.

oy. How stupid can these people get?
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PostPosted: Sat May 28, 2005 4:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

from powerlineblog.com
May 27, 2005
A Feminist Fisking

Reader Dean Henderson pointed out Danielle Crittenden's evisceration of lefty "novelist" Erica Jong, who compared the status of women in the United States unfavorably with that in the Arab world:

Of course women in the Middle East need the vote, an end to domestic violence and free access to contraception. But so do we. Odd that it is always easier to proselytize for feminism abroad while ignoring deteriorating women’s rights at home.

Crittenden says:

Myself, I've never understood why women’s groups weren't out front cheering the wars against the Taliban in Afghanistan and Saddam Hussein's Iraq. Were there ever more feminist wars than these? You'd think the National Organization for Women would be egging the administration on to Saudi Arabia and Iran. But no, and for the same reason that organized feminists have refused to applaud George Bush’s historic appointments of women to positions of high office, including most recently his nomination of two women, one of them black, to appellate judgeships. Bush is a Republican. The organized feminists are Democrats. It's as simple as that.

That's true, I think. The real fisking begins, though, with Crittenden's 24-question "yes/no" quiz. As Crittenden concludes: "If you answered “yes” to questions 1, 5, 6, 8, 10, 16, 17, 18, 22,23, and 25, congratulations! You live in the freest society for women in the history of Planet Earth. If you answered “yes” to any of the other questions, Allahu Akbar!"

What's interesting, too, is that Crittenden is blogging at the Huffington Post. So it's not completely without value.
Posted by John at 10:00 PM |

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/theblog/archive/danielle-crittenden/are-you-free-woman-tak_1720.html
Danielle Crittenden
ARE YOU FREE, WOMAN? TAKE THIS FUN, EASY QUIZ!

My fellow--sister?--blogger Erica Jong took issue this week with Mrs. Bush's visit to the Middle East. Like many women on the left, Jong seems to feel that living under the Bush administration is comparable to living under a regime run by mullahs. Maybe it's even worse: "Of course women in the Middle East need the vote, an end to domestic violence and free access to contraception. But so do we. Odd that it is always easier to proselytize for feminism abroad while ignoring deteriorating women’s rights at home."

Myself, I've never understood why women’s groups weren't out front cheering the wars against the Taliban in Afghanistan and Saddam Hussein's Iraq. Were there ever more feminist wars than these? You'd think the National Organization for Women would be egging the administration on to Saudi Arabia and Iran. But no, and for the same reason that organized feminists have refused to applaud George Bush’s historic appointments of women to positions of high office, including most recently his nomination of two women, one of them black, to appellate judgeships. Bush is a Republican. The organized feminists are Democrats. It's as simple as that.

Still, I wouldn’t think the feminist worldview could be quite SO simple as to equate the oppression of women who live under repressive and murderous regimes in the Islamic world with the condition of women in the United States. For HP bloggers and readers who have trouble telling the difference, I’ve prepared the following quiz:

1. Are you allowed to drive a car? Y/N
2. Must you be accompanied at all times in public by a male escort? Y/N
3. If you were to say "what the hell" and drive to the mall by yourself, would you be immediately surrounded by bat-wielding male police officers? Y/N
4. Could you be beaten for saying “what the hell”? Y/N
5. When you go outside on a hot summer day, can you wear shorts and a t-shirt? Y/N
6. You wouldn’t know what the weather was because your vision is a confined to the small slit opening in a burkha or abaya? Y/N
7. Have you ever been stoned at a party? Y/ N
8. Have you ever been buried up to your neck and stoned (i.e. with rocks) for kissing a man not your husband at a party? Y/N
9. Were you free to marry the man of your choice or, as it may be, free not to marry? Y/N
10. Did your parents force you to marry a man of their choosing? Y/N
11. If you refused your parents’ choice of husband would you be banished from the family and/or beaten within an inch of your life and/or to death? Y/N
12. Were you 11-years-old when you were married? Y/N
13. Does your husband have more than one wife? Y/N
14. Does your religion permit and encourage “moderate beatings” by the husband whenever he feels his wife is disobedient? Y/N
15. If you are unhappy with your husband, can you initiate a divorce? Y/N
16. Were you educated? Y/N
17. Were you educated for a career? Y/N
18. Was the career that of a suicide bomber? Y/N
19. When dealing with the law or facing a court case, is your word valued at half that of a man’s? Y/N
20. In a rape case in which there are no witnesses, is your word worth nothing against that of the rapist’s—and furthermore, for the admission of sex with a man outside of marriage, even forcibly, can you be put to death? Y/N
21. Can you vote? Y/N
22. Can you read any book you like? Y/N
23. Did you read the Arabic version of “Fear of Flying”? (oh, skip this one—it doesn’t exist)
24. Is fear of flying how you feel whenever you step on a plane post-9/11?

SCORING: If you answered “yes” to questions 1, 5, 6, 8, 10, 16, 17, 18, 22,23, and 25, congratulations! You live in the freest society for women in the history of Planet Earth. If you answered “yes” to any of the other questions, Allahu Akbar!
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