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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 5:51 pm    Post subject: NEVER FORGET Handshakes With Terror Master Reply with quote

NEVER FORGET Handshakes Of Shame With Terror Master


Former Hostages ID Ahmadinejad
NewsMax.com Wires
Saturday, Sept. 17, 2005
by Kenneth R. Timmerman

NEW YORK - A group of former hostages from the U.S. embassy in Tehran reaffirmed today there was "no doubt" that the lead interrogator during their ordeal was the current president of Iran.

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who has denied he personally took part in the hostage-taking, addressed the United Nations General Assembly in New York today for five minutes, despite a finding by the U.S. Department of State that he was a "terrorist" and was ineligible for a visa..

Before he spoke, the former hostages and their supporters held a vigil in front of the Mission of the Islamic Republic of Iran at 3rd avenue and 40th street.

"For twenty-six years, the government of Iran has not been held accountable for their violation of international law," said Kevin Hermening, who at 21 was a freshly-arrived Marine guard at the Embassy and the youngest hostage. "Despite our political differences as individuals, we all agree as a group that it is time to seek remedy. Ahmadinejad and his government need to be treated as a pariah."

Barry Rosen, now a professor at Columbia University, agreed. "We have lived with this for the rest of our lives," he said. "We were treated like animals."

He said the group of former hostages had resolved to talk anew about their ordeal in order to put a human face on victims of torture. "We are talking about the lives of millions of human beings who are living in pain on a daily basis."

Hermening identified Ahmadinejad as the lead interrogator for the military and security personnel at the embassy. "He was not an English speaker, but directed the interrogations. He told [the interpreters] what to ask. He ordered me to open safes," Hermening said.

He said he had spoken to other security officers at the embassy, including Tom Ahern and Colonel Charles Scott, and that all agreed there was "no doubt" the lead interrogator was Ahmadinejad.

Hermening recounted the story of Colonel David Roeder, who has spoken to reporters but was unable to travel to New York. "Colonel Roeder's interrogator was the current president of Iran. He told Rader, 'we know where you live. We know that you have a handicapped child. We know what time he gets picked up for school. We know where. If you don't answer our questions as we like, we are going to chop off his fingers and his toes and send them one by one to your wife in a box.'"

Iranian human rights activist Dr. Manoucher Ganji helped convince Hermening, Scott, and fellow hostage William Daughterty to speak to National Iranian TV (NITV), which broadcasts into Iran from Los Angeles. In separate interviews this summer, each described his encounter with the current Iranian president while being held hostage at the U.S. Embassy in Tehran.

Personally Conducted

Roeder said that out of his 51 interrogations, Ahmadinejad personally had conducted one-third of them.

The former hostages said they had recognized Ahmadinejad even before photographs of the hostage-takers resurfaced in U.S. newspapers last June, at the time of the first-round of the Iranian presidential elections. "We knew the man from the movement of his eyes, his lips. We knew him," Hermening said.

Before the NITV interviews, the U.S. Department of State had not sought out the former hostages, although they knew that Ahmadinejad would be applying to travel to the United States to address the UN General Assembly this week.

"After their statements to an international television audience, the State Department couldn't do anything else but recognize him as a terrorist," Ganji said.

Ganji also presented to reporters the former head of a taxi company in Tehran, who said he was personally assaulted and tortured by Ahmadinejad in 1981.

Joseph Pirayoff's company was based in the Hotel Intercontinental in Tehran and provided long-term rentals to U.S. defense contractors, in addition to taxi services.

During the 1979 revolution, he received a phone call from a U.S. military attaché at the embassy, asking him to secretly transport family members of U.S. diplomats to evacuation flights at the Tehran airport at night.

Nearly two years later, Pirayoff said Ahmadinejad and 25 revolutionary guardsmen stormed his apartment looking for president Abolhassan Banisadr, who was ousted by Ayatollah Khomeini in a coup in June 1981. "I told them I didn't know Banisadr," he said. Ahmadinejad hit him so hard in the face he broke his jaw.

Ganji himself was “on an Iranian government hit list for eighteen years” while organizing opposition to the regime from Paris, he said.

Some of the former hostages were so upset that the State Department had failed to contact them to confirm the reports about Ahmadinejad that they wrote to Congress last week.

In a letter addressed to the chairman and ranking member of the House International Relations Committee, Rosen, Doughterty, Roeder, and Paul Lewis recounted the latest chapter of their saga.

"To our consternation, the administration waited six weeks [after the election of Ahmadinejad] before contacting ajy former hostages and then only to arrange future appointment times for interviews. The State Department began conducting the very first debriefings on Wednesday, 10 August. Then - incredibly - the very next day, with the debriefing process scarcely begun. the government leaked to the media a CIA report that the investigation had already been concluded that our stated concerns were a case of mistaken identity."

Initial media reports with the leaked CIA report appeared on Friday, August 12, just two days after the first debriefings of former hostages were held. The former hostages have worked with Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R, Fla), who has introduced legislation that would provide payment to the former hostages and their families.

The new bill, HR 3358, would abrogate the Jan. 19, 1981 Algiers Accords that prohibited U.S. persons from suing the government of Iran. The Algiers accords required the United States to release frozen Iranian government assets in exchange for the hostages, and sheltered the Iranian government from lawsuit.

More than twenty-four years after their release, the ordeal the hostages underwent remains with them.

Barry Rosen still recalls with shame signing a "confession" after his captors threatened to kill him. "I was thinking of my two young children," he recalled.

Kevin Hermening recalls the day his captors threatened to execute him, holding him blindfolded and handcuffed while they shouted execution commands and poked him repeatedly in the back with automatic rifles. "It was the most frightening experience of my life," he said.

Kenneth R. Timmerman
President, Middle East Data Project, Inc.
Author: Countdown to Crisis: The Coming Nuclear Showdown with Iran
Tel: 301-946-2918
Reply to: timmerman.road@verizon.net
Website: www.KenTimmerman.com

“We seek to strengthen Russia’s role in the world,” Ahmadinejad stressed.

Mr. Putin has all the right to praise the new Iranian President, Ahmadinejad, since in the game of dirty politics, Mr. Putin is winner & Ahmadinejad a loser. There is tremendous imbalance between the two as far as education, background & expertise are concerned.

Mr. Putin is an old wolf who has seen lots of rain, as we say in Persian; where as Mr. Ahmadfinejad is not even a lamb in comparison. It should be remembered that Mr. Putin has a superb well known knowledge and background of being one of the directors of KGB. Ahmadinejad is ill matched meeting a person as such. Let aside discussing complicated global politics!

The present Iranian regime is after one thing only! And that is to get hold of Atomic Bomb whatever the cost. As if that is the only solution to all their inherent problems!

Russians are after gaining foot hold in Iran, which is their long lasting policy, they are also after cheating Iran from the wealth derived from oil in Caspian see.

They have already cut the share of Iran from 50% to 20%. Despite of the fact that Iranian oil experts know the extent of our loss, but they have been forced to keep quiet due to the nuclear deal!

The Iranian authorities think that when the D day comes, the Russians will support & back them either in Security Council or any where else. But that is self serving & wishful thinking, since Russians can never forgo their tremendous trade interest with U.S.A. in favor of Minuscule trade with Iran, nuclear deal not withstanding. I bet, if the Iranian case is referred to the Security Council, the best The Russians & their newly acquired friend, China, will do, is to abstain. Which means no help to the Iranian Regime?

If the bulk of trade between the two countries has increased 40%, as Mr. Putin has said. The question is, to whose benefit? No doubt to the benefit of Russia. One has to ask, what Iran has got to export to Russia which has a capacity of 40% increment. Therefore, it must be the other way round. So, where is our benefit & interest? Indeed that imbalance of trade makes Mr. Putin dance of joy!?

Contrary to the statement of this Apprentice President, it has been proved time & again that powerful strong Russia has always been a constant threat to the integrity of our country, not the other way round.

The new President has to read at least the history of the last 200 years of our country to grasp the harsh reality! This kind of a statement reminds us of the statements of the leaders of the defunct Iron Curtain Countries towards long abolished U.S.S.R.!

But then, what one has to expect from a man who dose not know the history of the country that by hook or crook has become its president?

In the last 27 years the Iranian Nation has been deprived of the learned, responsible, knowledgeable personalities to take the seat of Presidency. Right from the beginning each one was worst than the other. Its culmination is this new one.

God bless the Iranian Nation with the next president, if any?!

H. Hakimi,


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Putin Another Enemy of FREE IRAN Is Helping Islamist Terror Master


Russian President Vladimir Putin, left, and Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmedinejad shake hands during their meeting at the United Nations, Thursday, Sept. 15, 2005. Other persons are unidentified. (AP Photo/ITAR-TASS, Presidential Press Service)

RF, Iran have many regional interests, including in Caspian–Putin.


September 15, 2005

NEW YORK -- Russian President Vladimir Putin said Russia and Iran have a lot of mutual interests, including in the Caspian Sea region. In his meeting with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Thursday, Putin said, “Russia and Iran have ancient and rather close relations.” He pointed to close cooperation in different fields.

“It’s rather to say last year trade turnover between our countries increased by 43 percent,” the Russian president said.

He noted that Moscow and Tehran “have a lot of regional interests, including in the Caspian Sea region.”

Putin said, “I hope that this positive dynamics will be continued after the election as Iran’s president.”

“Moreover, being Tehran mayor you established very good relations with our major cities – St. Petersburg and Moscow, the capital of Russia,” Putin said, adding that the Iranian president “has positive experience of cooperation with Russia.”

Ahmadinejad said Russia is Iran’s best friend. “Powerful Russia is our best friend. We’re glad that in the recent years you have succeeded in solving many problems in Russia and strengthening your country’s prestige.”

“Powerful Russia is Iran’s best friend and powerful Iran is one of the best friends of Russia,” he added.

“We seek to strengthen Russia’s role in the world,” Ahmadinejad stressed.

He said Iran is ready to develop cooperation with Russia in the future. “Our government is seeking to develop relations with Russia on a long-term basis.” He agreed that Iran and Russia had a lot of close interests, including in the Caspian Sea region.

“I want to thank you for sending a greetings message to me on the election as Iran’s president. It was very friendly and sincere and proved of our deep and multilateral relations,” the Iranian president stressed.

“Our interests at the bilateral level and on the international arena are very close,” Ahmadinejad said. The Iranian president recognised that he had pleasant memories about his visit to Moscow and his meeting with Moscow Mayor Yuri Luzhkov before he was elected president.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 8:54 pm    Post subject: Mr. Kofi Annan Handshake with Terror and Torture Master Reply with quote

Mr. Kofi Annan Handshake with Terror and Torture Master

United Nations Secretary-General Kofi Annan, right, meets with Islamist President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad at the U.N., Thursday, Sept. 15, 2005. (AP Photo/John Marshall Mantel)
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Judging by the sequence w/Putin...it looks like Putin got a face-full of putrid bad monkey breath, from the look on his face and the body language.

Annan's expression is like "Are you for real?"

And note, nobody's smiling except monkey boy.

If you have doubt...look at Putin's eyes.

Hakimi is right....

Now I think folks may read too much into a handshake.., Annan is after all...the UN's chief "meet and greet" guy...he's pretty well obligated to offer coutesies to heads of state...but he sure doesn't look like he's happy about this one.

Maybe I'm reading too much into expression and body language here, but I don't think so....

Maybe others here will weigh in on this, if they see what I do or not...
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oppenheimer wrote:

Judging by the sequence w/Putin...it looks like Putin got a face-full of putrid bad monkey breath, from the look on his face and the body language.
Annan's expression is like "Are you for real?"
And note, nobody's smiling except monkey boy.
If you have doubt...look at Putin's eyes.
Hakimi is right....

Now I think folks may read too much into a handshake.., Annan is after all...the UN's chief "meet and greet" guy...he's pretty well obligated to offer coutesies to heads of state...but he sure doesn't look like he's happy about this one.
Maybe I'm reading too much into expression and body language here, but I don't think so....
Maybe others here will weigh in on this, if they see what I do or not...

Good points, we are not happy with Kofi Anan and UN for the following reasons:
1) UNITED NATIONS poor performance on human rights and Free Societies.
2) UNITED NATIONS accepting many of 191 governments as official members of UN that are not respecting the Universal Declaration of Human Rights which they have signed as member of UN.
3) Very unhappy with UN leadership which is hosting a Former hostage taker and terrorists.
4) We are unhappy with UN leadership who defined the next 10 years goals indpendent of Free Societies and Secular democracy.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 10:38 am    Post subject: Bush to Pressure Putin on Iran Reply with quote

Bush to Pressure Putin on Iran

September 16, 2005
The Wall Street Journal
Neil King Jr. and Greg White

U.S. President George W. Bush hopes to persuade Russian President Vladimir Putin to toughen his stance on Iran, to further open his country's oil and gas reserves to foreign investment and to take steps to speed Russia's entry into the World Trade Organization, when the two men meet at the White House.

Bush administration officials, in previewing Friday's one-day summit, described relations between Washington and Moscow these days as a mix of cooperation and tension, along with a dollop of indifference on the Russian side.

Much has changed from two years ago, when Mr. Bush used a Camp David gathering to praise Mr. Putin's Russia as "a country in which democracy and freedom and the rule of law thrive." Since then, the Kremlin has rolled back democratic institutions, used the tax and court systems to partially nationalize the country's largest oil company and jail its billionaire owner, meddled clumsily in the politics of its neighbors and cooperated with China in efforts to reduce U.S. influence in the strategic region of Central Asia.

Despite these setbacks, President Bush still puts much stock in his rapport with Mr. Putin, with whom he has met nearly 20 times.

The first item on today's agenda, U.S. officials say, will be to urge Mr. Putin to look more favorably on European and U.S. efforts to persuade Iran to give up its alleged nuclear-weapons ambitions.

The U.S., along with Britain, France and Germany, are threatening to take Iran to the United Nations Security Council unless it agrees to rules to prevent its civilian nuclear program from being used for military aims. But Russia and China, both of which have veto power within the council, oppose that idea. "This will be a major issue" in the summit talks, said one senior administration official.

Mr. Bush will also try to get a feel from President Putin on what transpired in his private talks at the U.N. on Wednesday with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the official said.

On the energy front, the White House is pleased by what appears to be increased activity among Russian oil and gas companies to move more aggressively on new exploration and pipeline projects, including some with Western partners.

"I've noticed a definite change in the Russians' attitude toward our energy relationship" in the past few months, said one U.S. diplomat.

State gas titan OAO Gazprom was expected to announce on Friday its short list of foreign partners on a long-awaited liquefied-natural-gas project that would target the U.S. market. And Russia appears to be moving ahead with plans to build a new pipeline that would carry oil to the country's arctic coast, putting it within tanker range of U.S. ports.

Bush officials say that on the trade front, both sides must resolve a number of prickly issues within U.S.-Russian negotiations on Russian WTO membership, which could happen sometime next year. The toughest problems revolve around Russian rules on energy services, bank subsidiaries, aviation and intellectual-property protections. The U.S. still hopes to wrap up the trade talks by the end of the year.

Some of the trickiest talk could focus on Moscow's influence over former Soviet republics, which Russia views as its turf. After popular revolutions brought pro-Western leaders to power in Georgia and Ukraine in the past two years, the Bush administration has come to see the region as a testing ground for its new focus on democratization around the world.

The U.S. also has begun to look with some alarm on the growing ties between Moscow and Beijing. China and Russia held joint military maneuvers last month.

Write to Neil King Jr. at neil.king@wsj.com and Greg White at greg.white@wsj.com
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Remarks by President Bush and President Putin of the Russian Federation in a Joint Press Availability

2:59 P.M. EDT

PRESIDENT BUSH: Thank you all. Please be seated. I'm pleased to welcome my friend, Vladimir Putin, back to the White House. We just had a constructive meeting and a candid conversation. I told the President how much I enjoyed visiting Russia earlier this year, and how much I'm looking forward to going back to Russia for the G8.

I also thanked President Putin -- Vladimir -- for Russia's offers of assistance in the wake of Hurricane Katrina. It meant a lot to know that you cared enough to send critical supplies, and our country really appreciates it. People are going through some tough times down there, and I think it lifts their spirits to know that not only Americans, but Russians care about their future.

We've got a strong ally in Russia in fighting the war on terror. You know, it was about four years ago that our country got attacked; one year ago, there was Beslan, both of them brutal attacks, both of them attacks by people who have no regard for innocent life. And we understand we have a duty to protect our citizens, and to work together and to do everything we can to stop the killing. That's why we hold office.

And I appreciate you very much, and your understanding of this war on terror. We also understand that we've got to work to stop the spread of weapons of mass destruction. We understand the stakes that people who kill in cold blood, if they have weapons of mass destruction, will kill in cold blood on a massive scale. And I want to appreciate you for your understanding, and thank you for your understanding of that.

We both signed the International Convention on the Suppression of Acts of Nuclear Terrorism, which was a positive statement by the world. We discussed our efforts to work together in Iran and North Korea. We both -- we have the same goal: We don't want the Iranians to have nuclear weapons and we don't want the North Koreans to have nuclear weapons. We talked about ways to achieve those goals.

We talked about the need to improve nuclear security. This year we reached a milestone in nonproliferation cooperation by completing the conversion of 10,000 Russian nuclear warheads into peaceful fuel for U.S. power reactors. And I appreciate very much that sense of cooperation. That's good for the world to see.

We talked about our economic relationship. Russia has got a growing economy. We have products that they want, and they've got products that we want -- like energy. And it's necessary for us to have a good economic relationship, one where we resolve our differences in a wise way. I told Vladimir that I'm very interested in seeing if we can't get -- complete the negotiations for Russia's entry into the WTO, the World Trade Organization, by the end of this year.

As we strengthen our economic ties we'll work to advance freedom and democracy in our respective countries and around the world. Russia has been a strong partner of the United States, and will be an even stronger partner as the reforms that President Vladimir Putin has talked about are implemented -- rule of law, and the ability for people to express themselves in an open way in Russia.

I don't know how many visits we've had. I haven't been counting them because I've run out of fingers on my hands, but there's been a lot. And every time I visit and talk with President Putin I -- our relationship becomes stronger. And I want to thank you for that. Thank you for coming to the White House to visit. Welcome.

PRESIDENT PUTIN: (As translated.) Thank you very much. Distinguished ladies and gentlemen, first and foremost, I'd like to thank the President for the invitation to visit the White House. And at the outset, allow me to relate the words of most sincere compassion and support to the American people with regards to the strikes of Mother Nature that's Katrine Hurricane, which caused the death of many human lives, and caused serious destruction. Believe us, we are sincerely and genuinely having the feeling of compassion with that tragedy, with you.

Russia, in the very first hours after the tragedy, proposed its support. Of course, this aid is in no comparison with the scale -- the plan which was laid down yesterday by the President of U.S. to restore that part of the ct. But that was sincere support, and we wanted to shore up morally the people which they currently need most -- that's medications, that's the first need objects. And I must say, these events, to the entire world, have become a serious lesson not only for the U.S. It's not an accident that we have paid a lot of attention today and while we had meetings in New York, since it's a global catastrophe. Global, absolutely global catastrophe, which must make us think.

And today I told it to George, to ourselves in Russia, we, too, will draw our conclusions regarding organization activities of services related to averting such catastrophes with efficient response to the similar catastrophes which are, indeed, of a global nature. This is precisely why we've discussed these tragic events and our cooperation as regards averting of this -- catastrophe -- infectious disease, and so forth. I'm sure if we pool our effort, then our activities will become more efficient.

In general, the qualitative new level of interaction between our two countries allows to efficiently address these breakthrough strategic tasks in many spheres of our interaction. And today's meeting was another confirmation of that. The traditional, high priority subjects of our interaction is anti-terrorist cooperation of U.S. and Russia. We have agreed to enhance the bilateral coordination, including on the level of the working group to combat terrorism.

Hereby, we believe that special attention should be paid to a joint effort to avert terrorist activities, generally, and of course, with the possible use by terrorists of weapons of mass destruction. You know that a relevant decision has been adopted in New York, in the United Nations organization.

Significant attention was paid to the subject of nonproliferation, and here we have discussed the North Korean problem and the Iranian nuclear dossier. And I must say that our positions are very close with the American partners here. We will continue to coordinate our work. On our part, I'd like to point out, that the potential of diplomatic solutions to all these questions is far from being exhausted, and we'll undertake all the steps necessary to settle all these problems and issues, not to aggravate them, not to bring them to extremalities.

We have in detail discussed other crisis-related situations in the world, and I must say that on all these issues, our foreign policy agencies are in touch constantly.

We have discussed also the upcoming meeting of the G8 group, and I'm thankful to George for some of his recommendations. We will continue with our partners to be in touch, closely coordinating preparation of this event and working out the agenda, so that the meeting of G8 in the Russian Federation be organized at high level quality, but also would take the torch and uphold it, and also bring some fresh breath as regards the relevance of all the subjects as they are considered by our countries and the entire world.

We also discussed today the situation of the post-Soviet Union space. Our countries have joint interests in maintaining stability and economic prosperity of this vast territory. The position of Russia is well known. We come out for the consistent advancement of integrational process within the frameworks of this community of independent states, with respect to sovereignty of all our neighbors, their own right, without pressure from outside, to choose their mode of national development. And we will coordinate our activities with all our partners on that one.

In the course of negotiations, we have also assessed the course of fulfillment of all -- of instructions given on Russia-U.S. relations, and I'd like to point out the economic ties and this development President just mentioned, the fact that we have mutual interest towards each other, including as regards the growing Russia economy and in the sector of energy. We have discussed that in detail.

Basically, this is always the subjects of our bilateral meetings. We have vast reserves to further develop our economic interaction, and, first and foremost, as regards energy dialogue, high technologies, space research, and you know that over the past years a lot has been done both by U.S. and the Russian Federation in this area jointly.

We have discussed the possibility of accession of WTO by Russia. We discussed that in further detail, and I'm very thankful to the President of the U.S. for understanding of our interests during the negotiation process, and I hope that at the expert level, too, our specialists will be able to ultimately find some practical solutions. Even if the questions they have to coordinate are quite a few, but the positive dynamics is there, and I would like to express the hope that it will result in specific outcomes.

And in conclusion, I'd like to underscore one more time that we are convinced with the President that the firm basis of the Russia-U.S. partnership should be based on the broad ties of our societies, citizens, civil societies. And after this meeting in the White House we will have a chance to talk with the leaders of the American companies. And I hope that those meetings will also be of help and be useful, since we will discuss specific projects of participation of major U.S. companies in the Russian economy, first and foremost, in the energy sphere.

And I'd like to thank, one more time, the U.S. President that even if very difficult situation is known right now, where Mother Nature has revealed itself, well, he has found it possible to materialize our agreements and this meeting has occurred, even if it was clear that constantly with his mind he is out there, with his thoughts, with those people, with those problems. But, still, it was possible to run through the entire agenda. We have discussed all the questions there. We have agreed on the immediate steps in future, as regards to interaction between U.S. and Russian Federation. And I hope this will be a good impulse for our cooperation in all those spheres I have just enumerated.

Thank you very much.

PRESIDENT BUSH: We'll take two questions a side, starting with Terry.

Q Mr. President, with billions of dollars flowing out of Washington for hurricane relief, some Republicans are worried that you're writing a blank check that will have to be paid by future generations. Who is going to have to pay for this recovery, and what's it going to do to the national debt?

PRESIDENT BUSH: First of all, for our citizens who haven't seen what I've seen -- you've seen what I've seen -- it's -- we lost a lot of life and a lot of property. I mean, the area destroyed by the storm is the size of Great Britain. And we've got whole towns just completely flattened, just wiped out. And one of our great cities, New Orleans, is -- a lot of it is underwater. And by "underwater," I mean water over the rooftops. And those homes will be destroyed. Thousands of people won't have homes. And so this is an enormous task to help the region start growing again.

One of the commitments that I made last night is for the federal government to fund a significant portion of the infrastructure repair and rebuilding; in other words, our bridges and our roads. Our schools, the water systems are ruined, the sewer system is ruined. And I meant that when I said we will do that. Part of the recovery is to make sure there's an infrastructure that works.

Yesterday in New Orleans, for example, the Mayor was so thrilled that a portion of New Orleans, the French Quarter, for example, has got lights and sewers -- you can't drink the water, but the sewer system works. In other words, he's beginning to see some life. And it just reminded me that as we can get the infrastructure up and running as quickly as possible, get the debris cleared, get the infrastructure up and running, then life will begin.

And so, you bet, it's going to cost money. But I'm confident we can handle it and I'm confident we can handle our other priorities. It's going to mean that we're going to have to make sure we cut unnecessary spending. It's going to mean we don't do -- we've got to maintain economic growth, and therefore we should not raise taxes. Working people have had to pay a tax, in essence, by higher gasoline prices. And we don't need to be taking more money out of their pocket. And as we spend the money, we got to make sure we spend it wisely. And so we're going to have inspectors general overseeing the expenditure of the money.

Our OMB will work with Congress to figure out where we need to offset when we need to offset, so that we can manage not only to maintain economic growth and vitality, but to be able to spend that which is necessary to help this region get back on its feet. So it's a big role for the federal government.

There's a big role for private sector. And that's why I call for economic growth zones, an economic enterprise zone. Look, there's not going to be any revenues coming out of that area for a while anyway, so we might as well give them good tax relief in order to get jobs there and investment there. It makes sense. The entrepreneurial spirit is what's going to help lift this part of the world up. So we've got a -- I started laying out the outlines of a plan, and it's one that we want to work with Congress on.

Q What will it cost?

PRESIDENT BUSH: Well, it's going to cost whatever it costs. We're going to be wise about the money we spend. I mean, you're -- we haven't totaled up all the bridges and highways, but I said we'll make a commitment to rebuild the infrastructure, and to help rebuild the infrastructure. We're also spending money on -- $2,000 a family to help these people get back on their feet. There's a variety of programs. The key question is to make sure the costs are wisely spent, and that we work with Congress to make sure that we are able to manage our budget in a wise way. And that is going to mean cutting other programs.

Do you want to call on somebody?

Q The Russian-U.S. relationship largely is based on your good personal relations. In year 2008, you both will cease to be Presidents. So have you laid any guarantees so that U.S.-Russia relationship could go on not worse than it does right now?

PRESIDENT BUSH: That's a good question.

PRESIDENT PUTIN: Are they already firing us? We still want to work. (Laughter.) To be serious, well, I might say that guarantees of the positive development of the U.S.-Russia relations are based on the mutual interests to develop such relations between the two countries, with their steps, leaders can either help such an objective process of development, or be an impediment. We try to do whatever it takes to support this process. So far, we are responsible, and will continue to do so.

PRESIDENT BUSH: For example, we will leave behind some legacies -- the Moscow Treaty, which commits both countries to reducing our nuclear warheads; trade. In other words, as our countries and different companies begin to invest -- companies begin to invest in both countries, that leaves behind a legacy that will be hard for future governments to undo. There's kind of a strategic dialogue, we get in habits sometimes and the idea of setting a way for governments to talk to each other at different levels of government is a good legacy.

And so, we do have three more years, which I found out is a long period of time. And we'll be able to do more together that people -- that future governments will view as a way to move forward to keep the peace, and to be -- to deal with big issues in a complex world.


Q Last night you said that greater federal involvement and troops may be required in future disasters. Could you elaborate on that a little bit? And were you able to convince President Putin on the need to send Iran to the Security Council? Sorry to do a two-part.

PRESIDENT BUSH: No, that's -- hit me with a two-part question.

First, on Iran, we agree that the Iranians should not have a nuclear weapon. That's important for people to understand. When you share the same goal, it means, as you work diplomatically, you're working toward that goal.

Secondly, I am confident that the world will see to it that Iran goes to the U.N. Security Council if it does not live up to its agreements. And when that referral will happen is a matter of diplomacy. And that's what we talked about. We talked about how to deal with this situation diplomatically.

The first part of the question was -- oh, was how to deal with disasters.

Q Federal involvement in disasters.

PRESIDENT BUSH: Yes. I don't want to prejudge the commission's -- what do they call it, the bipartisan commission that is set up in Congress. I don't want to prejudge their findings. But I do think they ought to seriously consider the fact that there are -- a storm, for example, of a certain category, which will require an overwhelming response by government that can only be provided by, say, the United States military through NORTHCOM, because of its ability to muster logistical -- logistics and supplies so quickly. And that's what I want Congress to consider. And I think it's very important that Congress consider this.

It's important for us to learn from the storm what could have been done better, for example, and apply that to other types of situations -- such as a pandemic. At the U.N. I talked about avian flu; we need to take it seriously. I talked to Vladimir about avian flu; I talked to other world leaders about the potential outbreak of avian flu: If avian flu were to hit this country, do we have the proper response mechanisms? Does the federal government have the authorities necessary to make certain decisions? And this storm will give us an opportunity to review all different types of circumstance to make sure that the President has the capacity to react. And that's what I was referring to. I wasn't drawing any conclusions; I was just suggesting that this be a matter of debate and discussion with the bipartisan commission that is going to be set up there, with Democrats and Republican senators and congressmen.

PRESIDENT PUTIN: With regards to the Iranian subject, I might as well say that the our position is very clear and understandable. We support all of the agreements on non-proliferation, which includes Iran and others, fully, and we've always, in this regard, been open with our partners, transparent completely. And yesterday in the meeting with the President of Iran, we directly told him so. And, of course, we are against the fact that Iran would become a nuclear power, and we'll continue to do so in future, under any circumstances.

Now, as regards as to how we can control the situation, there are many ways and means to do so. We wouldn't like our -- steps could bring us to a situation similar to that one in the Korean Peninsula. We're in touch with all the partners in the process with the European-3, with the U.S. We have understanding of what we need to do, and I hope that our activities will be coordinated and will bring positive results.

Once again, yesterday I heard from the Iranian leader a statement that Iran does not seek to acquire nuclear weapons. That's the first thing I wanted to share with you.

Now -- and if you allow me, today, this way or the other, still we'll come back -- and for quite a while, I guess, in future, too -- to the fact of this horrible catastrophe, which was passed on to the soil of the U.S., having to do with this Hurricane Katrine. If, George, you don't mind, I would come back to this first question, which relates to the fact that we are taking away money from the future generation pockets. In the Soviet Union, for many decades, we lived under the motto, we need to think about the future generation. But we never thought about the existing, current, present generations. And at the end of the day, we have destroyed the country, not thinking about the people living today.

Therefore, of course, yes, we need to spend money. There is no two ways about it. And I believe that both U.S. and we in Russia, and in other countries of the world, we've been analyzing, all of us, what has transpired, how the state and the bodies responded to the current events. Many of us will draw their conclusions as regards restructuring the activities of the relevant services and bodies of the state which ought to minimize the repercussions of such catastrophes.

PRESIDENT BUSH: Final question.

Q The question to Mr. President of the United States. Mr. President, while talking in the United Nations organization, you, probably conscientiously -- talking about the strive for the road to democracy -- mentioned such countries as Afghanistan, Iran, Georgia, Ukraine, and Iraq. Do you believe the situation politically in this country is similar?

And to you, Mr. President, since we're talking about it, what is your assessment, in Iraq and in Ukraine, please? Thank you.

PRESIDENT BUSH: Let me make sure I understand your question. Do I believe the country in -- the situation in our country is similar to their countries?

Q You spoke at the United Nations about the strive for democracy --


Q -- and you --

PRESIDENT BUSH: I remember that.

Q And you mentioned Georgia, Ukraine, Iraq, Afghanistan -- just do you think the situation in these countries is similar?

PRESIDENT BUSH: Oh. Well, no, I think they're all different. I think, as a matter of fact, democracy tends to reflect the cultures and histories of each different country. I do think, though, they're bound by some common principles -- one that governments that are elected by the people tend to respond to the people; that they've got minority rights and rule of law. But they're all on different stages of the development of democracy.

Democracy just doesn't happen; it grows, it takes a while. It's the experience of our country. It's the experience of the Russian Federation. I mean, democracies take on the customs and habits of the particular people, and they mature. And so they're at different stages. I mean, clearly, Iraq is a struggling democracy. But one thing is for certain: the people have made their mind about what they want. They want democracy: 8.5 million Iraqis went to the polls, see, and they've got a constitution that's been written. It wasn't written under bayonet or under the barrel of a gun -- it was written by people from different factions of the society that have come together. And it will be voted on soon. And then there will be another election. So this is an emerging democracy and it's different from a more mature democracy.

Q Can I follow up?

PRESIDENT BUSH: No. (Laughter.) Got to keep order and discipline. Right, Steve?

PRESIDENT PUTIN: On the last question about Iraq and Ukraine -- on Iraq, we are aware of the situation in Iraq. Unfortunately, we are facing constant violence, and that relates to known factors having to do with the upcoming referendum on constitution there. I believe that if it will be possible to get constitution, this will be a good, strong step forward to achieve stability in that country.

In my opinion, it will be only possible if the main political forces, ethnic groups, will get a sense that it's their own constitution. If this document will be confirmed, agreed upon by the overwhelming segments of the population, if the current leadership makes a strong case and convinces population that this constitution is satisfactory to all, if it will maintain territorial integrity, will take into account the interests of major minority groups, then it will be a real step forward in settlement. And we hope very much that will occur.

Now, as regards Ukraine, well, what can be said here? The political crisis, as I said recently in Berlin, the situation is under control of the President.

PRESIDENT BUSH: Good job. Thank you. Good job.



I ask myself why Putin emphasised to the press that Antar stated Iran had no intention of building nuclear weapons, when there is so much evidence to the contrary.

And I think I know the reason....because evidence will be presented that monkey boy is lying through his teeth, to the entire world.

I note here that Putin does not state a belief that it is a "peaceful nuclear program" and this is, by being not said, is as important as what he did say.

These two presidents have a genuine friendship between them as individuals, beyond their respective status as heads of state in cooperation on many issues.

You don't "Pressure" your friends, you reason things out, give and take, debate, plan the next move, and present facts to each other in transparent fashion so there is no ambiguity of intent or position on issues.

That's why when I say look into Putin's eyes, you'll know he'd just been lied to by an ass kissing monky boy who's got no freeking clue he's about to be smack in the eye of a diplomatic hurricane. Thinking he can bull-s&!t his way through, is the tactic of an amature...

Now tell me if I'm mistaken.....

As for the UN, I understand your concerns, and the anger...monkey boy was given an opportunity to hang himself with his own words...which he did, offering to share nuclear technology in violation of NPT articles Iran is signatory to.....and also, for other nations...it is best to judge a fellow face to face....to see what he's made of....Putin's a keen judge of character...wouldn't be where he is today if he wasn't....and why he met with president Bush to give him his assessment.

This is beyond his head of state status as rationale for his visa.

As for Human rights...the UN commision is no more....voted into oblivion...to be replaced with a council that may uphold and protect human liberty...and honor the mandate of the UN charter and Universal Declaration on Human rights.

It will take some doing to get it right, but it will be.

As for Koffe Annan personally, I suggest everyone take the time to read a very long document of his called "In Larger Freedom" which SMCCDI's letter to John Bolton was based upon, and reflects in its text.

And there's a good reason it was...I've read it...but folks will have to draw their own conclusions about the Secretary General.

http://www.un.org/ Just type it in the search bar.
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Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez (L) meets Islamist President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad at the U.N. headquarters in New York September 16, 2005. NO SALES NO ARCHIVES REUTERS/Miraflores Palace/Handout Email Photo Print Photo
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UN World Summit adopts landmark outcome document on raft of crucial issues

General Assembly
16 September 2005 – Culminating the largest-ever gathering of world leaders, the United Nations General Assembly today adopted a historic outcome document


encapsulating a unified stance by the international community on a broad array of crucial issues, from concrete steps towards combating poverty and promoting development to unqualified condemnation of all forms of terrorism along with the acceptance of collective responsibility to protect civilians against genocide and other crimes against humanity.

“We reaffirm our faith in the United Nations and our commitment to the purposes and principles of the Charter and international law,” proclaimed the text of the 2005 World Summit Outcome contained in a resolution adopted by acclamation at the end of the three-day meeting that was attended by 150 Heads of State and Government. “We believe that today, more than ever before, we live in a global and interdependent world. No State can stand wholly alone.”

Despite a number of notable omissions, the 40-page Outcome ironed out during down-to-the-wire negotiations was described by Secretary-General Kofi Annan as a major breakthrough in several vital areas.

The document, for instance, expressed strong and unambiguous commitment by all governments, in donor and developing nations alike, to achieve the Millennium Development Goals by 2015, and to pledges that would raise an additional $50 billion a year by 2010 for fighting poverty. It also contained commitment by all developing countries to adopt national plans for achieving the Millennium Development Goals by 2006.

Another area, highlighted by Mr. Annan, the document called for timely and decisive collective Security Council action when national authorities manifestly fail to protect populations from genocide, war crimes, ethnic cleansing and crimes against humanity. It set up two new bodies, a Peacebuilding Commission to help countries in transition from war to peace, and a strengthened Human Rights Council.

Major elements in the document included:

Development – unambiguous commitment by all governments, in donor and developing nations alike, to achieve the MDGs by 2015; to pledges that would raise an additional $50 billion a year by 2010 for fighting poverty; agreement to consider additional measures to ensure long-term debt sustainability through increased grant-based financing, cancellation of 100 per cent of the official multilateral and bilateral debt of heavily indebted poor countries (HIPCs).
Terrorism – unqualified condemnation by all governments of terrorism “in all its forms and manifestations, committed by whomever, wherever and for whatever purposes;” strong political push for a comprehensive convention against terrorism within a year. Support for early entry into force of the Nuclear Terrorism Convention; agreement to fashion a strategy to fight terrorism in a way that makes the international community stronger and terrorists weaker.
Peacebuilding, Peacekeeping and Peacemaking – creation of a Peacebuilding Commission to help countries transition from war to peace, backed by a support office and a standing fund; new standing police capacity for UN peacekeeping operations.
Responsibility to Protect – unambiguous acceptance by all governments of the collective international responsibility to protect populations from genocide, war crimes, ethnic cleansing and crimes against humanity; willingness to take timely and decisive collective action for this purpose, through the Security Council, when peaceful means prove inadequate and national authorities are manifestly failing to do it.
Human Rights, Democracy, and Rule of Law – decisive steps to strengthen the UN human rights machinery and agreement to establish a UN Human Rights Council during the coming year; welcome for new Democracy Fund which has already received pledges of $32 million from 13 countries; commitment to eliminate pervasive gender discrimination, such as inequalities in education and ownership of property, violence against women and girls and to end impunity for such violence.
Management Reform – broad strengthening of UN’s oversight capacity, including the Office of Internal Oversight Services; expanding oversight services to additional agencies; calling for developing an independent oversight advisory committee, and further developing a new ethics office.
Environment – recognition of the serious challenge posed by climate change and a commitment to take action through the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change; assistance to those most vulnerable, like small island developing states; agreement to create a worldwide early warning system for all natural hazards.
International Health – scaling up responses to HIV/AIDS, TB, and malaria, through prevention, care, treatment and support, and the mobilization of additional resources from national, bilateral, multilateral and private sources; support for the Global Outbreak Alert and Response Network of the World Health Organization (WHO).
Humanitarian Assistance – Improved Central Emergency Revolving Fund to ensure that relief arrives reliably and immediately when disasters happen.
Updating UN Charter – decision to revise and update the Charter by winding up the Trusteeship Council, marking completion of UN’s historic decolonization role, and deleting anachronistic references to “enemy States.”
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Cyrus,

With the UN general assembly opening tommorrow, this is far from over.

Secretary Rice , UK's Jack Straw, and monkey boy will be speaking, along with the Secretary General, the President of the GA and others.

Sunday , Russian Fedeation will be among the speakers.

This is where rubber hits the road in debate over the next few weeks...IAEA board meeting....all coming up.....stay tuned.
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http://www.un.org/ click on the scroll "60th general assembly" under the logo , then click "agenda"

In regards to topics that would be directly relevent to Iran, no topic is excluded....but you'll have to read it for yourselves because the list is too long to post.

pdf files won't link direct, or at least this one wouldn't.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 12:37 am    Post subject: real politic Reply with quote

Mr. Putin doesn't give a damn about the people of Iran or their freedom, much like the European leaders don't give a damn about it.

all they can think about is how to profit more while our nation is taken hostage and imprisoned in their own land!

how can we expect Putin or chavez NOT to follow the example already set by EU3 - the policy of appeasement and lucrative deals with terrorist-fascist regime of IRI.

This has to be focused on EU3 first, to stop giving support and legitimacy to IRI, then U.N must follow, and only after that we can expect Putin and the chinese and India, etc, to follow that example.

the whole war on terror wont mean $hit, when EU / UN call the terrorist regime and it's reps. LEGIT Representatives!

Good luck getting Europeans on board. They have everything to gain from the ayatollahs' fascist rule, and nothing to loose.

I believe they will support this regime to the end. overt or covert, their support will benefit the reigme and continue to hurt the U.S. and American interests. this was the whole point of Green Belt.

they've managed to kick U.S out of Iran; why should they give it back now?

why shouldn't they continue to support IRI and make profits?

put yourself on their shoes. why shouldn't they protect IRI?

afterall, America's Loss is their Gain.

Real Politics has no allies. it's a deadly compatitive game.

Real Politics will mobilize terrorists for profits if it must.

it's done so before, and will continue to do so.

one look at British Colonialism shows, it wont stop at anything. still same $hit, only smarter/ more experienced & covert!

not only IRI stays, but sistani's next! (they're already preparing him for his role as vali faghih - take a look at his website!)

I don't think U.S is naive about all this.
I think any Real Politician will eventually go along with the game.

it's up to the people to put a stop to all this. no politician ever will.
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EU3 repeats request to meet with terrorist ahmadinejad, 10 times!

pars news:

The foreign Ministers of EU3 (Britain, France & Germany), as well as the EU parl foreign office has repeated their request to meet with Ahmadinejad 10 times.

... In this meeting the EU3 ministers has shown quite a friendly attitude (contrary to past mtg.s with Iran's nuclear energy team) and very much tried to show their interest in close relations with Iran officials.

[why aren't we surprised]
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 9:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote


It just occurred to me that you have never expressed any concern for the American, European, or Russian people regarding the threat the IRI poses to them....so I guess that is quite telling relative to your statements above.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

P.S. on the whole, I'd say trying to resolve differences diplomaticly is better than going to war over it.

and so every effort is made to prevent that....which is a different thing than appeasement.

But we'll see what transpires in the next week or two, whether diplomacy will be effective, or this goes to the next diplomatic level of UN sanction and resolution..

And if the IRI gave a damn about the people of Iran, they'd resolve the issue themselves, without all this BS, and get with the program rather than be 180 degrees headed in the wrong direction.
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A glance of key issues in the document world leaders adopted at the U.N. summit
The Associated Press, Sept. 17, 2005

World leaders adopted a 35-page document at a summit at the United Nations on Friday. Some key elements of the document:

_ Resolves to create a Human Rights Council by September 2006 that would promote universal respect for human rights. But it drops proposals for members to be elected by a two-thirds majority in the General Assembly and doesn't bar known rights violators.

_ Backs Secretary-General Kofi Annan's call for an internal ethics office and asks that the internal U.N. watchdog, the Office of Internal Oversight Services, be strengthened "as a matter of urgency." But it doesn't give Annan the authority to move jobs and make management changes that the United States, the European Union and others sought.

_ Creates a Peacebuilding Commission to help nations emerging from war recover. It did not solve the issue of whether it reports to the Security Council or the General Assembly.

_ Condemns "terrorism in all its forms and manifestations, committed by whomever, wherever and for whatever purpose ..." Seeks a comprehensive terrorism convention but doesn't call for a definition of terrorism that rules out attacks on civilians, as Annan had wanted.

_ Includes 16 pages on development, including a commitment by all governments to achieve the Millennium Development Goals. It drops a call for countries that haven't done so, which include the United States, "to make concrete efforts" to achieve the target of earmarking 0.7 percent of GDP to development assistance.

_ Calls on nations to work together to protect civilians from genocide, war crimes and ethnic cleansing, but creates no new obligations to intervene in such cases, as some nations had sought.

_ Creates a larger fund to ensure that relief arrives immediately after disasters.

_ Elements that were taken out include language on nonproliferation and disarmament, a call for discussion of principles for the use of force by the Security Council as well as a mention of the International Criminal Court.
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