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Radical Islam to blame for French Riots.
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eski



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2005 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, there are exceptional women in the history of all cultures. The Key word here is "exceptional". My intention wasn't to short women on their abilities but to demonstrate that men and women are different. Aside from the obvious they fundamentally differ in how they think. Women use emotion extensively in their decision making where men are more prone to utilitarian decision making. Where a woman wants a beautiful piece of jewlry for a present, the man would be tickled to death over a new set of snow tires.There are exceptions to this and those are the examples listed in the above entry as well as many others. Were the problem lies is how society has skewed these roles to make men act more like women through our legal system. Hell, here in the states you can get into legal trouble for admiring how a woman looks. If you look too long it's sexual harassment. Slowly but surely laws are being made to prohibit men from being men. The assault on men doesn't end there. Take a look at anything in the media where men and women are portrayed. In sitcom TV shows, the man is without exception portrayed as a bumbling idiot and the woman as the mature, rational one. And in dramas, the man is almost always portrayed as the criminal (sadly, in reality men usually are the criminal) the evil one, the swindler, etc. And it's usually a white male that is portrayed as the bad guy. This is political correctness and that's a whole other topic. The reason I mention it is because it is helping in the downfall of the male in society and the feminization of men.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 8:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

France is being critisized for bad behaviour...

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Ayatollah Jannati in a Tehran University Friday Sermon: French Muslims Are Treated in the Most Terrible Way

Following are excerpts from a Friday sermon delivered at Tehran University by Ayatollah Ahmad Jannati, secretary of the Iranian Guardian Council. The sermon was broadcast on Channel 1, Iranian TV, on November 11, 2005.

Jannati: As for France, if the West had a shred of respect left, it lost it in these incidents. They, who for 30 years did not heed the cries of the oppressed and the minorities, used to threaten us. Whenever we wanted to punish some mercenary Bahai spies here, they would scream that the minorities in Iran are neglected, are not paid attention to, that their rights are violated, that there is discrimination in Iran, and that human rights are violated.

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There are so many Muslims in France. There's a lot of them. In France, Islam is second only to Christianity. There are so many Muslims there, yet the (French) act towards them in the most terrible way.

The fact that the situation exploded now does not mean its causes are new. They've been shouting for years, but their mouths were shut and they were suffocated, so their voices would not be heard. Now they have exploded at once.

[...]

We hope that, Allah willing, the world will get to know their true character and that one of these days, they will come to their senses and stop following these wayward paths.

In America the situation is similar. There is a lot of racial discrimination there too.

Source: http://www.memritv.org/
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 11:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Terl_JV_ wrote:
France is being critisized for bad behaviour...

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Ayatollah Jannati in a Tehran University Friday Sermon: French Muslims Are Treated in the Most Terrible Way

Following are excerpts from a Friday sermon delivered at Tehran University by Ayatollah Ahmad Jannati, secretary of the Iranian Guardian Council. The sermon was broadcast on Channel 1, Iranian TV, on November 11, 2005.

Jannati: As for France, if the West had a shred of respect left, it lost it in these incidents. They, who for 30 years did not heed the cries of the oppressed and the minorities, used to threaten us. Whenever we wanted to punish some mercenary Bahai spies here, they would scream that the minorities in Iran are neglected, are not paid attention to, that their rights are violated, that there is discrimination in Iran, and that human rights are violated.

[...]

There are so many Muslims in France. There's a lot of them. In France, Islam is second only to Christianity. There are so many Muslims there, yet the (French) act towards them in the most terrible way.

The fact that the situation exploded now does not mean its causes are new. They've been shouting for years, but their mouths were shut and they were suffocated, so their voices would not be heard. Now they have exploded at once.

[...]

We hope that, Allah willing, the world will get to know their true character and that one of these days, they will come to their senses and stop following these wayward paths.

In America the situation is similar. There is a lot of racial discrimination there too.

Source: http://www.memritv.org/


That means the french are innocent.

Eski I understand you aren't putting anyone down, but I still disagree with some things you said.

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Women use emotion extensively in their decision making where men are more prone to utilitarian decision making.


I disagree, men and women both use emotions in extensively, while also using utilitarian decision making.

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The assault on men doesn't end there. Take a look at anything in the media where men and women are portrayed. In sitcom TV shows, the man is without exception portrayed as a bumbling idiot and the woman as the mature, rational one. And in dramas, the man is almost always portrayed as the criminal (sadly, in reality men usually are the criminal) the evil one, the swindler, etc. And it's usually a white male that is portrayed as the bad guy. This is political correctness and that's a whole other topic. The reason I mention it is because it is helping in the downfall of the male in society and the feminization of men.


Women are portrayed as idiots to in the American shows I watch, Americans I think just enjoy insulting themselves wether they are man woman black white child or elderly.

I disagree that men and women fundamentally think differently. They are different, but on most issues men and women will react the same way. What really makes men and women think differently is socialization.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 2:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess we will just agree to disagree. Confused But if you would.... pay close attention to shows where a man and a woman are both the stars of the show or any show where a criminal is involved, I think that you will see what I was talking about. And I agree that we all use emotions in our decisions. I guess I didn't express myself properly. What I was trying to get across is that our decisions differ mainly in what emotions we utilize. Men are more prone to utility and women are more prone to consider more shades of gray. Of course there are many exceptions but as a majority this is the way it is.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.arabnews.com/?page=7&section=0&article=73084&d=12&m=11&y=2005


The Middle East's Leading English Language Daily




FRUITS OF MULTICULTURALISM
by Amir Taheri
Arab News
November 12, 2005
With the imposition of curfew and an impressive show of raw force, the French authorities may well have managed to bring the latest urban riots under control. And a few nights of heavy rain may also help dampen the ardor of "les jeunes", the youthful insurgents who have wreaked havoc in more than 300 localities throughout France over the past two weeks.

One thing, however is certain: Bringing the situation under control is one thing but finding a long-term solution to the problem is quite another.

The failure of the French leadership to understand what is happening, let alone develop a strategy to cope with it has opened the way for all sorts of maverick initiatives.

A group calling itself the Union of Muslim Organizations in France has issued a "fatwa" (Islamic edict) calling on the Muslim youths to cease their rebellion. The message is clear: Rather than obeying the laws of the French Republic, Muslims in France should follow "fatwas" concocted by the Muslim Brotherhood. A variety of fixers, middlemen, and arbiters, most of them members of various militant Islamist groups, have also appeared at the local level in many places and are presenting themselves as an alterative to state authority.

At the opposite end of the spectrum, a number of proto-fascist groups have mushroomed in the suburbs, especially close to Paris, and are calling for the formation of armed militias to fight the rioters. Claiming that France is already drawn into a civil war they are calling for the army to be brought and martial law to be imposed in the affected areas.

The one question that everyone is anxious to avoid concerns the nature of what polite society in Paris likes to call "urban violence".

According to the left, notably the unreformed Socialist Party, the trouble stems from cutbacks in government subsidies that have curtailed social services in the affected areas. The Socialists are especially sore about Sarkozy's decision to scarp the so-called "proximity police" that the previous Socialist administration had created. The "proximity police" had been a fig leaf to hide the fact that the real police, along with doctors, firemen, school inspectors, and other representatives of the republic had been excluded from dozens of suburbs for years. The "proximity police" had no authority to detect crime, arrest criminals or even report on criminal activities. But it could play football with teen-agers, organize seaside holidays for them, and supervise "artistic tagging" competitions.

There is no shortage of state subsidies in areas struck by the riots.

Government spokesman Jean-Francois Coppet says that the affected areas have benefited from "massive injections of cash" over the past three years. Nearly half of the population lives on various state handouts. The affected areas have become the hunting ground of professional do-gooders, associations, charities, pressure groups, social theorists, and, of course, so-called "Islamic reformers." For years, some municipalities have devoted almost a third of their budget to such outfits in the hope of avoiding precisely the kind of crisis they now face.

No, the crisis cannot be explained in pseudo-Marxist terms. People do not go around torching public buildings and firing on the police simply because they are poor.

The truth is that the affected suburbs represent a dangerous cocktail in which poverty, cultural alienation and racial tensions are some of the ingredients. But even those ingredients alone would not have been sufficient for causing an explosion. After all the Paris region is also home to substantial numbers of Asian, mainly Vietnamese and Chinese immigrants who are as poor, as culturally alienated and as subject to racial pressure as are the inhabitants of the "exploding suburbs".

The indigenous French do not consider the Asian community as a threat to the very idea of Frenchness if only because it has no universal pretensions.

The Muslim immigrant minority, however, is perceived as a threat because Islam regards itself as a universal faith and an alternative to Western civilization. Most indigenous Frenchmen are persuaded that their own culture and civilization is the best that mankind has ever produced and that Islam's pretensions are misplaced, to say the least.

It is hard to establish which came first but there is no doubt that militant Islamism and equally militant Islamophobia have formed a deadly couple that is leading France into uncharted waters.

The crisis concerns the very idea of Fenchness. And yet, many French leaders delude themselves into believing that French identity, often referred to as "l'exception francaise" is so manifestly superior as to be beyond debate.

The trouble is that there are millions of Muslims, especially those born in France of Arab and African immigrant parents, who do not feel French the way most other Frenchmen do. Some do not feel French in any sense whatsoever, apart from their official identity papers.

The question, therefore, is whether or not France can seduce this group of its children back into a new form of Frenchness.

The task is more difficult than the similar challenges that the United States and Britain have faced. In the US all that is required is loyalty to the American Constitution within which all sorts of hyphenated identities are not only accepted but actively promoted. You don't even have to speak English to be an American. Britain, for its part, has managed with a policy of benign neglect toward ethnic and religious minorities, allowing them to live as they wish with the understanding that, even though they may learn to play cricket, they will never become Englishmen.

France, however, has always wanted to assimilate its minorities, transforming them into "proper Frenchmen". On the eve of the French Revolution in 1787 only 12 percent of Louis XVI's subjects had French as their mother tongue.

Two hundred years later that had risen to almost 90 percent of French citizens. To reach that goal successive regimes in Paris had pursued a determined, and often ruthless, policy of destroying dozens of languages and cultures in a quest for a unique form of Frenchness.

That policy worked because the languages and cultures that were assimilated belonged to communities that had been both Christian and European since time immemorial.

Assimilation is far more difficult now because the Arab and African Muslim communities are neither European nor Christian.

They may be prepared to become a bit more European but would demand that, in exchange, other Frenchmen also become a bit more like them. In other words what they demand is a new French identity, a synthesis of the traditional concept of Frenchness with new Arab, African and Islamic ones. You cannot play multiculturalism without admitting the possibility that your own culture may, at some point, be affected by other cultures, including ones that were once regarded as alien or even threatening.
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