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Democracy in Iran. From 79% down to 0%.

 
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2004 6:51 am    Post subject: Democracy in Iran. From 79% down to 0%. Reply with quote

Hello dear compatriots
I have done a very simple comparision of how much democracy we have in Iran today and how much we had in past:
The difference between the definitions of democracy/dictatorship can be summarized in 3 points,
A) individual freedom
B) political freedom
C) economy
.
If like a democracy, I have given the maximum point 10. If total dictatorship, I have given the point 0.

A) Individual freedom:
-Clothing
-Living as one wants
-Equality of men/women
-Music allowed
-dancing allowed
-Freedom of religion
-Freedom of language


Before 1979: 10 (we had all these freedoms before 1979)
Today: 0 (today we have none of these freedoms)


B) Political freedom:
-Freedom of speech
-Freedom of newspapers, TV:s and radios
-Free education system
-Political prisoners
-Laws
-Freedom of political parties
-Distributed power
-Men and women in government


Before 1979: 3,5-4 (There was not allowed to criticize Shah in media, the power was not distributed, there was parlament etc but Shah had the last word in everything . However the number of political prisoners was very low, trials were free from torture (maybe a few exceptions), political death penalties almost none at all, schools educated the truth about Iranīs history etc)

Today: 0 (Holding up a bloody T-short in front of a camera gives 15 year of prison with daily torture-Ahmad Batebi)


c) Economy:
In a dictatorship the country:s money in stolen
In a democracy the money is used for the country:s best


Before 1979: 10 ( All money was used to develop a rich, prosper and modern Iran)
Today: 0 (All money goes to: -Rafsanjani, -Tabasi, Other mullahs, Hamas, Hizbollah, other palestinian terrorist groups, Al quida,
for creating nuclear weapons, for creating TV/radio parasites, giving free oil to Jordan, giving very cheap oil to Europe, creating 45 sequrity systems, selling Iranīs water, giving free current to Shiamuslims in Iraq etc, etc etc)

So totally during Shah:s time: 10+3,75+10=23,5/30=79% democracy
Today: 0+0+0=0/30= 0% democracy
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2004 11:40 am    Post subject: Re: Democracy in Iran. From 79% down to 0%. Reply with quote

Iranian boy wrote:


However the number of political prisoners was very low, trials were free from torture (maybe a few exceptions), political death penalties almost none at all,

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Thank you for posting it.

And as you know , most of political prisoners were members of armed cummunist groups .
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2004 4:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Democracy in Iran. From 79% down to 0%. Reply with quote

Iranian boy wrote:
Hello dear compatriots
I have done a very simple comparision of how much democracy we have in Iran today and how much we had in past:
The difference between the definitions of democracy/dictatorship can be summarized in 3 points,
A) individual freedom
B) political freedom
C) economy
.
If like a democracy, I have given the maximum point 10. If total dictatorship, I have given the point 0.

A) Individual freedom:
-Clothing
-Living as one wants
-Equality of men/women
-Music allowed
-dancing allowed
-Freedom of religion
-Freedom of language


Before 1979: 10 (we had all these freedoms before 1979)
Today: 0 (today we have none of these freedoms)


B) Political freedom:
-Freedom of speech
-Freedom of newspapers, TV:s and radios
-Free education system
-Political prisoners
-Laws
-Freedom of political parties
-Distributed power
-Men and women in government


Before 1979: 3,5-4 (There was not allowed to criticize Shah in media, the power was not distributed, there was parlament etc but Shah had the last word in everything . However the number of political prisoners was very low, trials were free from torture (maybe a few exceptions), political death penalties almost none at all, schools educated the truth about Iranīs history etc)

Today: 0 (Holding up a bloody T-short in front of a camera gives 15 year of prison with daily torture-Ahmad Batebi)


c) Economy:
In a dictatorship the country:s money in stolen
In a democracy the money is used for the country:s best


Before 1979: 10 ( All money was used to develop a rich, prosper and modern Iran)
Today: 0 (All money goes to: -Rafsanjani, -Tabasi, Other mullahs, Hamas, Hizbollah, other palestinian terrorist groups, Al quida,
for creating nuclear weapons, for creating TV/radio parasites, giving free oil to Jordan, giving very cheap oil to Europe, creating 45 sequrity systems, selling Iranīs water, giving free current to Shiamuslims in Iraq etc, etc etc)

So totally during Shah:s time: 10+3,75+10=23,5/30=79% democracy
Today: 0+0+0=0/30= 0% democracy


thank you Iranian Boy!

Much appreciated.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2004 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you very much for your appreciation!!
I think there was around 3000 political prisoners before 1979 and most of them were like Parviz (ps. are you Stefania:s friend?) said communists and Mujahedin. So in fact Shah had no political prisoners at all!!

We really had 80% democracy before 1979.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2004 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes dear, I'm her friend.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2004 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome!!
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2004 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Thanks for your opinion.

I totaly agree with the personal freedom, the seperation from government and church and almost with the economy part. Further I am of the opinion that we had more political freedom during the former regime in comparison to the islamic regime today, but we had also less political freedoms.

Of course we had never a democracy like we have it in most European states. But donīt forget where Iran is comming from (history) and in which region and culture Iran was involved.
Most European states have their roots in democracy since they were grounded. And that is the problem/fact that many students during the Shah era -who studied during Shahs time in the countries with democratic regimes- didn't recognize. They compared the Iranian regime, which has totaly other roots, with European countries.
You cannot introduce true democracy during 50 years, neither in a country with the traits/peculiarities like Iran.
True democracy is a process that need much more time to develop. Sometimes you have to guide this developing process and sometimes you have to execute undemocratic measures (less political freedom) to protect the democratic process, like in Shas era.

Iran was in his early democratic "shoes" but this democratic process was distroyed with the revolution in 1979 and the following bloody islamic dictorship.

But with all brainwashes by the islamic regime, with all suppressions by the islamic regime, with all hunting by the islamic regime, with all executions by the islamic regime, with all torture by the islamic regime, ith all prohibitions by the islamic regime and so on...the islamic regime has not achieved their goals, they contrarily achieved a population that demand and fight for democracy and freedom in all areas.
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