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Time is Running Out Where Is The Real Support?
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asher



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2004 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Redemption, Cyrus,

Thanks for your courage and clarity on this. The list of specific, concrete steps our Government can take - short of an all-out Iraq-style invasion - is extremely valuable, and it gives us all something achievable to work for.

And yes, of course Bush is the only one we can trust. And we need MORE action from him, not less.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2004 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Someone at this forum or another should definitely compile a bullet point list of demands and reccommended action the Bush Admin should take...Ohh wait, Michael Ledeen and so many others have done that already, but it doesn't seem to be getting through to the oval office.. ****!!!!!
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2004 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're right, Redemption. But you know, I figure it's like dialing a telephone and getting a busy signal ... you just keep hitting "redial" until you get through.

Hey Washington ... "CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?!?"
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2004 3:22 pm    Post subject: d Reply with quote

Definitely - for sure.. If at first you don't succeed, try try again!!! Wink !
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2004 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

EVERYONE THAT WRITES HERE SHOULD WRITE TO THE WHITE HOUSE:
president@whitehouse.gov
You will be surprised how effective it might be....
THERE WILL NEVER BE PEACE IN IRAQ, AS LONG AS THE RAG-HEAD TERRORIST ARE RULING IN IRAN.
On 23rd of February I wrote to President Bush, told him backing Senator Brownback and helping Iranians could very well make a difference in this election
especially in California where it has the largest Iranian-American population. I mentioned www.daneshjoo.org website and the letter SMCCDI has written to Senator Kerry. March 1st the the letter to Senator Kerry was published in washingtontimes.com under op-ed..........the moral of the story is, if every person that writes here, writes to President Bush, it will make a difference.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2004 5:45 pm    Post subject: d Reply with quote

Good Point Blank - but screw wasting energy writing to the WhiteHouse - if they want to know what's up they can visit http://www.activistchat.com and wake up!
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2004 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes we need to support bush but demand action is my feeling as well Mr bush does good work but there is always room for improvement.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2004 5:50 pm    Post subject: screw Reply with quote

There most certainly is room for improvement.. It's called taking down the regime in Iran - working to stabalize Iraq - and the using such achievements to pressure the other regimes to REFORM and give freedom to the people..
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2004 5:58 pm    Post subject: Re: screw Reply with quote

redemption wrote:
There most certainly is room for improvement.. It's called taking down the regime in Iran - working to stabalize Iraq - and the using such achievements to pressure the other regimes to REFORM and give freedom to the people..


most certainly (i was the guest poster) I was just saying I am a huge bush supporter few things do I take issue with him this is the one I can think of though he has acted somewhat he has much much more to do and I hope once re elected he will.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2004 6:07 pm    Post subject: Re: d Reply with quote

redemption wrote:
Good Point Blank - but screw wasting energy writing to the WhiteHouse - if they want to know what's up they can visit http://www.activistchat.com and wake up!


It is not "if they want to know..." IT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO WRITE TO THEM AND LET THEM KNOW ABOUT THE www.activistchat.com They don't have any obligation to look after us. It is our duty to make sure they are informed about our hopes and aspirations....
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2004 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Time is running out for the Western world, if we don't take care of the HQ of terrorism - Iran. You don't negotiate with an evil dictatorship...

I recommend you all to read Dr. Leonard Peikoff's article, "End States Who Sponsor Terrorism" (10/02/01). You could find the link to his article and other links (e.g. my post, "UNCLE SAM TOUR": AFGHANISTAN 10/07/01, IRAQ 03/19/03, IRAN XX/XX/04?) in my post, THE BATTLE OF IDEAS: CHICKENHAWKS VERSUS PACIFICISTS.

By the way: Have you seen Cox & Forkum's "Iran Cartoons" compilation?

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Martin Lindeskog - American in Spirit.
Gothenburg, Sweden (a.k.a. the socialist "paradise").
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2004 3:12 am    Post subject: Good Opening Flash Screen Reply with quote

Good Opening Flash Screen please visit:
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2004 5:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

people don't mistake me, I'm not calling for non-action, I would be more than happy to see a regime change in Iran, it would be the best development for the Middle East. I'm just urging you not to start hating Bush if he doesn't act immediately, you have to understand that the US is taking care of matters all over the world, and that inside Bush's administration there are many views. I would like to see action, but I'm realistic, action will be seen only if you start a campaign that really threatens the regime, then the US will give you full support. Otherwise it will be seen as a coup, or if it fails as a coup attempt, and the US presence in the Middle East will be in real danger. You have to start a general strike or full-fledged demonstrations, you have to catch the eye of the western press, when the world starts talking about Iran as it did last year, and if those demos are seen as regime-threatening, then the US will do something. Until then it's hard, if the US tries something and it gets messed up it will only give more support to regime propaganda, it will enflame Arab streets and it will render American position in Iraq very dangerous. You must be seen as the ones who start everything, and the US must be seen only as an outside help, otherwise it will blow up. Please don't mistake my words, I want to see change, but I'm also realistic.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2004 6:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

redemption wrote:
Once Again: I voted for Bush the first time and I will do so the second time around of course.. But like I said, I will go to the polls feeling like an ASSHOLE if by November I have yet to see any action from Bush on Iran and the Mullahs.. Stefania: WORDS ARE NOT ENOUGH!!!!


dear Redemption, once again i repeat that i agree 100% with you !

IF IT WAS FOR ME, I WOULD HAVE HELPED THE IRANIAN PEOPLE RIGHT NOW !

BUT AGAIN, IN MY OPINION, THE US CANNOT ACT ALONE. IF THEY DO, THE REGIME DOESN'T COLLAPSE BECAUSE IT IS SUPPORTED BY THE REST OF THE WORLD: EU, JAPAN, AUSTRALIA, ARAB COUNTRIES, AFRICAN COUNTRIES, ETC.. !

THE ONLY SOLUTION IS TOTAL ISOLATION.

HOWEVER, I THINK THAT THE OBJECTIVE NOW IS TO ASSURE THAT JOHN KERRY WILL BE NOT ELECTED.

IF HE IS,. IT WILL BE THE END OF ALL THE HOPES.

DEAR, I AM IN CONTACT WITH MICHAEL LEDEEN.. I CAN ASK HIM TO PUT PRESSURE ON THE PRESIDENT ?

WE MUST MASS SEND FAXES TO THE PRESIDENT....I THINK THAT IF WRE ALL SEND FAXES TO THE PRESIDENT, HE WILL HEAR US .

DEAR REDEMPTION, PLEASE DON'T GET ME WRONG ALWAYS !!!
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2004 1:09 pm    Post subject: Sept. 11. Strategic Inflection Point For New World Order Reply with quote

Sept. 11. Strategic Inflection Point For New World Order


Today the world can be divided to two camps , Cyrus The Great camp and Machiavelli Camp. I do not view the world with Left, Center, Right, Conservative, Liberal, Neo-con... divisions.

Past two years President Bush statements regarding Iran and other countries ("Sixty years of Western nations excusing and accommodating the lack of freedom in the Middle East did nothing to make us safe, because in the long run stability cannot be purchased at the expense of liberty," Bush said.) was an indication that after Sept 11 US under his leadership was moving towards Cyrus The Great camp direction and away from EU and G8 hypocrisy policy and at the same time EU was moving more towards Machiavelli hypocrisy camp to protect the status quo and its hidden agenda plundering policy towards developing countries (EU Big 3 policy towards Iran is the best example of such a backward policy).

Machiaavelli Quick Overview:
We would admire Cyrus the Great more when we see domination of Machiaavelli philosophy in our time around this globe. The Italian political philosopher Niccolo Machiavelli (1469-1527) is notorious for his blunt advice that a ruler interested in maintaining and increasing his power should make use of deceitfulness, cunning, and lies, combined with a ruthless use of force. Machiavelli principal fame rests upon his book "The Prince"(a handbook for dictators). The Prince may be considered a primer of practical advice for a head of state. The basic point of view of the book is that in order to succeed; a prince should ignore moral considerations entirely and depend upon strength and cunning. Machiavelli discussed history and politics in purely human terms, and simply ignored moral consideration. Unfortunately Machiavelli is considered to be one of the principal founders of modern political thought and leadership concept. In chapter 17 of The Prince, Machiavelli discusses whether it is better for a prince to be loved or feared: "The reply is that one ought to be both feared and loved, but...it is much safer to be feared than loved, if one of the two has to be wanting ...for love is held by a chain of obligation which, men being selfish, is broken whenever it serves their purposes, but fear is maintained by a dread of punishment which never fails." Often, the most denunciation came from those who practiced what Machiavelli preached- a hypocrisy of which Machiavelli might approve, in principle! Therefore we should not judge politicians by their words but by their hard and difficult choices, actions, and great sacrifices.

Greatness is not achieved by words but by hard work, difficult choices, actions and sacrifice. It takes more than intellect and general knowledge to make a leader ethical and moral. It is not easy to become Cyrus The Great, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Gandi ... that is why there are very few of them in entire 5000 year documented history of mankind. After Sept. 11. Strategic Inflection Point one of saddest moment of history of mankind and the worst terror tragedy in front of 12 billion eyes by Islamist fanatics no one should expect the public will be easy with our politicians , we will judge our leaders against the greatest, and we expect far more than before, because in order to win out of inflection point and move to the new height the leaders must be brilliant , listen, be the greatest and do not play any dirty game with public. The Terror Masters in Iran, the Virus of EU (Clerical Regime) must be removed from power now.

The people have spoken and the clerics know it clearly and now the clerics have a choice to give up peacefuly and go back to their Mosque or resist and wait for ultimate justice by the people! The Referendum Against Islamic Clerical Regime Won By Massive Boycott and Civil Disobedience By The People. The Iranian people have declared the Clerical Regime illegitimate, a mafia operation that no longer has any support. Now The EU, Japan and U.S. governments should officially declare the Islamic Clerical Regime of Iran as illegitimate and unfit to govern .....
What the Free World are waiting for , do you want to see blood in every street of Iran to act?

Today I do not know where President Bush stands, where Powell and Armitage are taking us. We need clear foreign policy and real proof, the regime change in Iran before U.S. election can be the best proof whether President Bush is committed to change or he is protecting the England status quo.


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