[FREE IRAN Project] In The Spirit Of Cyrus The Great

[Parsi Zoroastrian]

What sets Zoroastrian Iranis apart
PADMAJA SHASTRI

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/572604.cms
TIMES NEWS NETWORK[ SUNDAY, MARCH 21, 2004 02:56:20 AM ]

PUNE: "Irani Zoroastrians? Never knew they were a separate community?" said a colleague.

He is not the only one. For, most people use the terms ‘Parsi’ and ‘Zoroastrian’ inter-changeably. The fact is that all Parsis are Zoroastrian, but not all Zorastrians are Parsis. Some of them are just Irani Zoroastrians, sometimes simply called Iranis.

"Though both are Zoroastrian, the main difference lies in the time the two communities came to India ," explains Sanobar Irani, secretary, Zoroastrian Youth Association (ZYA).

Those who left Iran soon after the advent of Islam to escape persecution, reached the shores of Gujarat 1,373 years ago. Their descendants are the Parsis.



While the Zoroastrians who migrated to India from Iran relatively recently — 19th century onwards — are called Irani Zoroastrians. The Parsis have, therefore, imbibed Indian culture and traditions much more than the Iranis. Even some of their customs are similar to Hindu customs. The differences are evident in wedding ceremonies.



While Parsis mainly speak Gujarati, many Irani Zoroastrians speak Dari, a dialect of Persian. "It is very easy to set apart Irani Zoroastrians physically, as they are heavier-built, fairer and have sharper (Archemenian) features," said Sanobar.

Dara Irani, who has been president of the Poona Parsi Panchayat for over a decade, said, "There may be a difference in our looks, the languages we speak, some of our customs and the way we pronounce our prayers. But, ultimately, we are all Zoroastrian and just the same deep inside."

In fact, many present-day Iranis do not speak much Dari, or follow Irani customs, he said.

Irani Zoroastrians are increasingly marrying Parsis and seem to have integrated well with each other. "When my grandfather wanted to marry a Parsi, there was a lot of opposition. But, today, if our children want to marry Parsis, we will not bat an eye-lid," said an Irani Zoroastrian. Pune has over 2,000 Irani Zoroastrians, who are a very closely-knit, funloving community.
Unlike the Parsis, who are more focussed on services, most Iranis are business-oriented. Who has not enjoyed a cuppa at the friendly-neighbourhood Irani restaurants? Or Shrewsbury biscuits and mawa cakes at Kayani Bakery. Iranis are also into other businesses like fabrication, stone quarrying and farming (orchards).

"I am proud to be an Irani, as I think we are stronger, dedicated and sincere," said Arnavaz Damania, a wellknown businesswoman and sportsperson.

However, the main worry of the community is that most of its young are migrating to countries like Australia , New Zealand and Canada . "A decade down the line, Pune is likely to have few young Iranis or Parsis. Our youngsters do not have enough opportunities here. They are forced to look for greener pastures," said Dara.

[Hoi Persai]

Wow. I want to meet Zoroastrians. Is the ZYA a large organ. with many outlets, or just in major US cities?

[patriot]

I have laready met true zoarostrians from origin but I can say that they are the most wonderful Iranians that I have ever met!

But they are not so intrested in the parsees of India and found a bit dark face because they prefer more fair skined people!
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I am Babak Khoramdin

[Guest]

i cant belive they lost their language.

shame on them.............they are no longer iranian..........

indian traitorrrrrrrrrsssssssss

[Sourena]

[patriot]

Dear firends,

Actually the subjest of Original zoarostrians of Iran and India is one of my favourites !

I love Zoarostrians a lot because they ar an amazing people ,kind,lovely and honest!they have a pure Iranian culture !

But please dont call Parsees Traitor Indians!
Their grand fathers were Iranians but they were just like many of present Iranians a sort of people who suffered the unjustified rules of arabs and decided to run away of Iran and live in India as a refugee but they were allowed to stay in India if they promised not to talk persian at all

Nowadays in spit of being gugrati but parsees of India have pure Iranian names and culture!
they weare mostly Indians traditional dresses but feel persian!
Many of them love Iran but they want a free and democratic Iran to live there peacefully!
Many of them prefer to return to Iran according to the recent polls on the net!
So try to make friends and learn our fellow-races better!

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be ma dar in group be peyvandid agar zartoshti hastid,yahoudi,bahayee va Irandoust hastid
payame khod ra baraye Reza Shah II begozarid
Ba sepas
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I am Babak Khoramdin

[9karevatan]

anyone who doesnt stand and fight as an iranian against invaders is a traitor understand?no matter what time of history u lived in it does not matter
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iran iranam iraaanam
ke az to daram in jaanam
janam fadayat
mikhanam
payande baadi IRANam!!!!!!!

[Equality]

[9karevatan]

how many times do i have to say that its not the arabs religion.......oona ghalat kardan dine khodaro dorost konan..........if u look closer u will realize that Abraham is the original messenger of submission and he was also persian..
i was soo excited to first realize this.....



Abraham: Original Messenger of Submission*

22:78 You shall strive for the cause of GOD as you should strive for His cause. He has chosen you and has placed no
hardship on you in practicing your religion-the religion of your father Abraham. He is the one who named you
"Submitters" originally.

Muhammad: A Follower of Abraham*

[16:123] Then we inspired you (Muhammad) to follow the religion of Abraham, the monotheist; he never was an idol
worshiper.
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iran iranam iraaanam
ke az to daram in jaanam
janam fadayat
mikhanam
payande baadi IRANam!!!!!!!

[9karevatan]

how many times do i have to say that its not the arabs religion.......oona ghalat kardan dine khodaro dorost konan..........if u look closer u will realize that Abraham is the original messenger of submission and he was also persian..
i was soo excited to first realize this.....



Abraham: Original Messenger of Submission*

22:78 You shall strive for the cause of GOD as you should strive for His cause. He has chosen you and has placed no
hardship on you in practicing your religion-the religion of your father Abraham. He is the one who named you
"Submitters" originally.

Muhammad: A Follower of Abraham*

[16:123] Then we inspired you (Muhammad) to follow the religion of Abraham, the monotheist; he never was an idol
worshiper.
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iran iranam iraaanam
ke az to daram in jaanam
janam fadayat
mikhanam
payande baadi IRANam!!!!!!!

[patriot]

Look!

I think it is not fair to talk in that way about the parsees of India!
They are in my opinion more Iranian than many of you who follow the religion of Invaders of Iran as arabs!
and inform such extraordinary fiuneral ceremonies for Hussein and Hassan two important enemies of Iranians who had killed the people of Mazanadarn and also took part in the arabs attack against Iran!
If you believe that you are the true patriots then why I hear arabic and none-Iranian names from you as Ali,amir,Mehdi and more!

Parsees of India are the savor of our Iranian documents,our background and the true persian names!

If you look at them as a traitor,you should consider that they have the same view about those Iranians whose fathers had already accepted Islam and follow the Iran s enemies rules!
Try to be a bit logic!
I m an Iranian but a logical one!
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I am Babak Khoramdin

[9karevatan]

my name is navid (pure persian) and i dislike the hossein and hassan
and i refuse to use arabic and say im muslim
even in farsi i say taslim shode
and i dont want an arabic word on my flag
and i tend to not use the arabic words in our language
unlike those traitor parsees who through away our sacred language and clothings and became indian

what can u say now?
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iran iranam iraaanam
ke az to daram in jaanam
janam fadayat
mikhanam
payande baadi IRANam!!!!!!!

[Equality]

[9karevatan]

so u are saying that we should all have fled the country and lose our sacred land as iranians just to keep our religon or think we did????

remember that u can say u are anything therefore only ur inside thoughts only matter and the fact was that the vast majority were excited to lose the zartosht religion......that i am not sure why
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iran iranam iraaanam
ke az to daram in jaanam
janam fadayat
mikhanam
payande baadi IRANam!!!!!!!

[patriot]

]You all misunderstand!

You should try to be a bit logic!

since arabs attacked Iran the people of Iran got seperated to two groups!
some decided to stay and struggle and some wouldn tlike to lose their pure culture and believes so they left Iran!

Even now we are having such problem there are many Iranians who live in other countries as the refugess!
are you going not to call them Iranian?

And about the parsees I dont mean that everybody should leave his home but dont forget that it s for about 25 years that Iranians decided to clean themselve from arabism and Islam!
My question is this:who one of you used to think about Babak e Khoramdin or Rostame Farokhzad?even you didn tknow if they ever exist in our history!
It is good that you have noticed that you shouldnt have praised Hussein and Ali but be a bit logical my friend!
Our people made an Islamic revolution and used to look at khomeini as a holy man!
Do you think it was a patrionism signe of our people to sack a patriot king out of Iran and welcome a moslim whose feelings about Iran was Nothing!

This is the fact that our people after so many centuries had been corupted by Islam and everything include!
Refer to the history and look what your grand parents behaved through our zoarostrian and jews fellow country men!
This is a patrionism signe of our people?
To look down on their fellowcountrymen who are not moslim?

The pure Iranian culture has been currupted by us!
why can t we trust each other?and why our zoarostrian grand parents could trust each other?
Because since our people by the sword or anything else became so called moslims ,started to heritage the bad manner of arabs too!

Don t get angry of my words!
I am also an Iranian but an Iranian that a zoarostrian fellow countrymen don t accept my currupted culture!
so try to keep away of arabism,Islamism and speak persian but the right persian,think persian just liek a zoarostrian and pray for Babak not Hussein,appriciate people who were killed for Iran and it s background not your enemies!
If you could accept all these structures then you can call yourself a true patriot man just like Reza shah The great who was one of the first Iranian kings who stood against arabism culture!
He removed the title and offered us the Id cards!
He learnt us to have our persian months and that to say farvardin,Khourdad,Amordad not Moharam,Ragab,Ramezan........
To let our women dress freely not like an arab woman always under the veil of darkness!
If you could one day respect Reza shah The great then you can be proud of being a true patriot man!

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Warm regards
a patriot
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I am Babak Khoramdin