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Telegraph Guest
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Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2004 4:18 pm Post subject: British overtures to Iran set allies at odds |
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British overtures to Iran set allies at odds
By Alec Russell in Washington
April 15, 2004
British officials in Iraq have all but ignored President George Bush's plan to foster a new democracy in the country in favour of their own agenda, according to an American former official in Baghdad's interim government.
His comments mark the first time an official has publicly let the mask of co-operation between the White House and Whitehall slip.
They also highlight the difficulties facing Tony Blair at his meeting with Mr Bush tomorrow when the two leaders will try to plot the transition to full Iraqi sovereignty, which is due in 11 weeks.
Michael Rubin, who resigned from the Pentagon 10 days ago after returning from the Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA) in Baghdad, gave a stark account of fundamental divisions between British and American officials over how to run Iraq.
He suggested that British officials clearly had little interest in pursuing the White House vision of a democratic Iraq, a keystone of its foreign policy, and were too "soft" in confronting dissent.
He also said many US officials had been startled at their British counterparts' attempts to capitalise on their presence in southern Iraq for a "freelance" fostering of ties with Iran, one of Washington's most implacable enemies.
"That is a major policy decision for the White House," Mr Rubin said. "It should not be made in Basra" - the centre of the British zone of influence. "We got a sense that Britons were using the CPA as an outreach to Iran, which was not the Americans' intention."
Tensions between British and US officials have long been hinted at, not least between Paul Bremer, the US proconsul, and Sir Jeremy Greenstock, Britain's former envoy to Baghdad who left - apparently in some frustration - last month.
One provisional authority insider said: "There was an understanding in the CPA that Bremer and Greenstock didn't like each other. It personified the differences between the two views. Greenstock thought Bremer was naive; Bremer thought Greenstock was pursuing the wrong policies."
Mr Rubin did not comment directly on relations between the two men. "Bremer is following the President's agenda. And, in general, most British diplomats still don't agree with the President's agenda."
Mr Rubin was an adviser on the governance group of the provisional authority until March. He is now an analyst at the American Enterprise Institute, a conservative think-tank and arguably the ideological engine room of Mr Bush's Administration.
He said he and other US officials had been deeply concerned by the softly-softly approach of the British to former Baathists, who Washington felt should be excluded from positions of authority, and also to Iranian groups.
"When I came in to Iraq back in July . . . it was clear that the US was serious about democracy, the Brits less so."
The Telegraph, London |
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AThousandWords Guest
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Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2004 6:58 pm Post subject: This picture says a thousand WORDS!!!! |
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This picture says a thousand words!!!!
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stefania

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Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2004 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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YES, AND THANKS GOD THE US ARE REALIZING THE PLANS OF THE UK !
BRAVO GEORGE!! _________________ Referendum AFTER Regime Change
"I'm ready to die for you to be able to say your own opinions, even if i strongly disagree with you" (Voltaire) |
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Khorshid

Joined: 28 Aug 2003 Posts: 459
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Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2004 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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The value of this article cannot be overestimated. What is not stated plainly can obviously be deduced, and there's much here that is implied regarding british intentions.
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Liberty Now !

Joined: 04 Apr 2004 Posts: 521
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Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2004 10:29 pm Post subject: wow! |
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Wow! woW! Wow! wOW! WAY TO GO! NOW YOU'RE TALKIN!
Have I died and gone to heaven?
ABOUT TIME AMERICANS TURNED AROUND AND WATCHED THEIR BACK!
I BELIEVE THEY SHOULD ANNOUCE THAT 79 ISLAMIC COUP WAS BASICALLY AN EUROPEAN POLICY AND USA HAD BEEN BLACKMALED TO GO ALONG. IT'S BEEN NOTHING BUT DISASTER FOR US AND THE WORLD, AND EVERY BIT PROFITABLE FOR EU & UK!
WAKE UP AND SMELL THE HOMOS IN LONDON PALACES, ABOUT TIME!
ASK UK WHY THE AYATOLLAHS NOW IN POWER IN IRAN WERE ON BRITISH PAYROLL WHILE LIVING IN NAJAF-IRAQ BACK THEN. ASK THEM!
ASK WHY BRITISH MONARCHY HAD BACKED KHOMEINI (FROM SIKH FATHER) TO STUDY IN ISLAMIC SCHOOL OF INDIA UNDER BRITISH SUPERVISION ? |
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Liberty Now !

Joined: 04 Apr 2004 Posts: 521
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Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2004 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Khorshid wrote: | The value of this article cannot be overestimated. What is not stated plainly can obviously be deduced, and there's much here that is implied regarding british intentions.
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khorshid jan ye do kalame farsi benvis ghorboone sheklet. vagarna fekr mikonim labod 007 ye esme farsi vas khodesh gozashte omade az englis defa kone. chon jedan hich irani asil hazer be defa az englis nist. pas az an hame jenayat ke tavasote mullaha anjam dadand dar iran.
har che ma keshidim bishtaresh zire sare in englisi ha boode! defa nakonid aziz jan to ra be khake paake iranzamin.
englis bayad javab pas bede baraye saliane saal zoor va gharat dar iran. kojaye kardi. |
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Liberty Now !

Joined: 04 Apr 2004 Posts: 521
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Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2004 10:41 pm Post subject: me again! |
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sorry guys to buzz in again...
I'm so happy ... DAR POOSTE KHODAM NEMIGONJAM!
ALL SUPPORT AND PLOTS FOR BRAIN DEAD AYATOLLAHS OF IRAN COMES FROM LONDON. I WILL TESTIFY TO THIS! WITH DOCUMENTS.
[ Mind you, I still think the americans will go along and get stabbed at the back once again by these old dirty brit bunch who's been running the show using ayatollahs and islamist puppet behind the scene. ]
BRAIN DEAD AYATOLLAHS COULD NOT MOVE THEIR ASS OFF THE GILIM BUT FOR 'LAVAAT' AND SEX WITH ANIMALS!
WITHOUT BRITANIA BEHIND THEM THEY ARE AS GOOD AS DEAD NECROPHILIC PEDOFILES! |
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Khorshid

Joined: 28 Aug 2003 Posts: 459
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Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2004 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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Liberty jaan ba dorud,
Ey baba, man ke har vaght forsati pish miyad farsi minvisam, hala shayad kamtar inja, montaha ham farsi zaboon kam-ast o ham moshtagham ke kharejiharo ba afkare iruniya ashna konam. Kholase, khoshhalam kardi ke farsi neveshti, amma ajab lahjeyi!!!
Dorud bar Michail Rubin ke siliye mohkami zad be gooshe in engelisiya. Vaghean maghaleye jalebiye va kheili vazeh faash mikone.
Ghorbanet, Khorshid
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Khorshid, Guest
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Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2004 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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Thank you for putting this on your front page. Please keep it there as long as you possibly can. |
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guest Guest
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Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2004 12:01 am Post subject: |
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Wow !
Dear friends and freedom lovers, as painful as this FACT is, but I must admit that I am so exhilareted and excited that FINALLY FINALLY this most dangerous deceiptful plot of these snake British is being revealed !
For more than half a century, the British have been successful to deceive and exploit America to come to it's aid any time and every time the issue at hand has been Middle East and the control of the OIL. America has been extremely gaullible and naiive, believing British to be their No. 1 ally, paid by lives, blood, money, resources and even it's own security, and EACH TIME has been stabbed by the British from the back! From the 1953 Coup-D' tat in Iran, to the 1979 Mullah barbarians revolution in Iran, and even now this Iraq war which has been a British Agenda much more than the US. British wanted control of Iraq Oil, while US not necessarily the Oil, but it's regional security. So again, US poured in the blood, money, all resources for the sake of these bastard British, while being deceived and stabbed from the back by them.
The Truth will prevail, I believe and we must all raise our voices and make sure it gets heard. I have emailed President Bush regarding this most urgent issue, before we lose it for the sake of these bastard British again. MULLAHS AND BRITISH ONE AND ONLY ONE ITEM, HAND IN HAND FOR OVER A CENTURY. AMERICA ACCEPT THIS FACT AND DEAL WITH IT! NONE OF THE BIG 3 EU IS OUR ALLY. END OF THIS NONSENSE DREAM AND WISHFUL THINKING!
Regards to all.
Long Live Liberty,
Free Iran,
Death to the Mullahs and their masters. |
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shiraz
Joined: 15 Nov 2003 Posts: 28
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Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2004 12:08 am Post subject: |
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Sorry guys! This last post was from me: "shiraz".
I had forgotton to log in.
great posts in this thread! |
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freedomwill Guest
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Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2004 4:46 am Post subject: d |
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| Khorshid, wrote: |
Thank you for putting this on your front page. Please keep it there as long as you possibly can. |
Iranians and America will prevail - it is the only way!!!! |
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stefania

Joined: 17 Jul 2003 Posts: 4250 Location: Italy
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Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2004 5:35 am Post subject: |
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Finally the Bush Admin realizes the true aspirations of the British govt
Kerry must be very angry if the Bush Admin doesn't hear the British's demands !!  _________________ Referendum AFTER Regime Change
"I'm ready to die for you to be able to say your own opinions, even if i strongly disagree with you" (Voltaire) |
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Liberty Now !

Joined: 04 Apr 2004 Posts: 521
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Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2004 1:53 pm Post subject: Britain = poisionous snake |
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| Khorshid, wrote: |
Thank you for putting this on your front page. Please keep it there as long as you possibly can. |
First of: damet garm khorshid khanom e gol. va dorood bar hamye zanane siasatmadare Irani va khodam! khorshid jan har vaght bekhay lahjamo yadet midam!
Shiraz jan: thank you dear, enjoyed your post. log in more often my friend!
WHAT A SNAKE THIS BRITAIN! WATCH OUT AMERICANS! WATCH YOUR BACK CAREFULLY!
WHAT EU IS DOING IS GETTING USA TO DO ALL THE EXPENSIVE WORK AND SEND ITS STRONG ARMY TO GET THE JOB DONE, AND THEY EU COMES ALONG AND USING THEIR HISTORIC DIRTY PLOTS TRYS TO TRICK AMERICANS AND TAKE THE UPPER HAND AT THE END!
WELL THEY'VE DONE IT IN 79 COUP IN IRAN, AND IT'S BEEN NOTHING FOR DISASTER FOR AMERICANS; WHILE EU AND UK BENEFIT FROM IT EVER SINCE!
INDEED THEY WOULD WANT TO TRY THE SAME THING IN IRAQ! WHY NOT. SINCE AMERICANS ARE SO TRUSING EU WILL TRY ITS BEST TO TRICK THEM AGAIN. BUT THIS TIME WE HAVE TO OPEN THEIR HAND AND EXPOSE THEIR DIRTY PLOTS ONCE AND FOR ALL!
EXPOSE THE DIRTY EU/UK PLOTS NOW! DON'T STOP AT ONE ARTICLE.
IT SHOULD BE MADE CLEAR TO EUROPE THAT IN ORDER TO STAY AN AMERICAN ALLY THEY WOULD HAVE TO STOP SUPPORTING AYATOLLAHS!
EU NEEDS USA HERE AND NOT VICE VERSA!
REMEMBER THAT BRITISH MONARCHS! YOU SNAKES! |
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Liberty Now !

Joined: 04 Apr 2004 Posts: 521
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Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2004 1:58 pm Post subject: kerry a british agent? |
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| stefania wrote: | Finally the Bush Admin realizes the true aspirations of the British govt
Kerry must be very angry if the Bush Admin doesn't hear the British's demands !!  |
IT'S SPOOKY HOW CLOSE DEMOCRATS & BRITISH WORK TOGETHER ON THIS? AND EVERY SINGLE TIME IN THE PAST?
I BELIEVE DEMOCRATS ARE ASHAMED OF THE AMERICAN INDEPENDENCE FROM BRITAIN AND TRYING TO MAKE IT UP TO THEIR OLD MASTERS ANY CHACE THEY GET!
WHAT YOU THINK GUYS? |
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