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PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2004 12:54 pm    Post subject: Christianity, A Plagiarized Version of - Mithraism - Reply with quote

Christianity, A Plagiarized Version of Mithraism

- By Bahram Maskanian - May 09, 1989

- Christianity Is The Plagiarized Version Of Mithraism -
- A Persian / Iranian Theology -


- The True Origins of Christianity -

Mithra was a Persian savior. The worship of Mithra became common throughout the Roman Empire, particularly among the Roman civil service and military. Mithraism and Christianity were competitors until the 4th century. Mithra believed to have been born on December 25. His birth was witnessed by shepherds and by gift-carrying Magi. This was celebrated as the, - - Dies Natalis Solic Invite. - - The - - Birthday of the Unconquered Sun. - - Many followers believed that Mithra was born of a virgin. During his life, Mithra performed many miracles, cured many illnesses, and cast out devils. Mithra celebrated a - - Last Supper with his 12 Disciples. - - He ascended to heaven at the time of the spring equinox, about March 21, the first day of spring.

The above story sounds uncannily similar to the story of Jesus, or ISSAH, his real name. Except Mithra and his religion took place over two thousand (2000) years earlier than ISSAH, or Jesus, which is a Greek name replacing his real name, meaning angel. - ISSAH or Jesus died due to natural causes three hundred (300) years before the Jews made him into a mythical religious figure and the Son of God, just like Mithra. -

Christianity is just a plagiarized religion, an exact replication of Mithraism, which was in existence over two thousand (2000) years earlier than Christianity.

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Now let's look at the much older Persian supernatural being: Mithra. The earliest known examples of Mithra worship date back over four thousand (4000) years ago into the Persian Empire. Mithra was the son of Ahura-Mazda, the divine God of the heavens.

Mithra and Ahura-Mazda were strong influences on early Babylonian beliefs. Along came the Zoroastrians in the 6th century BC who absorbed Mithra and Ahura-Mazda into their own culture where, - Ahura-Mazda - became the supreme holy God of goodness and - Ahriman - became the God of Evil.

Soon after this Zoroastrian / Babylonian takeover around 580-BC, the Babylonians were holding the Jews in captivity. The Jews were Henotheists at this time but became heavily influenced by the concept of one god of goodness and one god of evil.

  1. Mithra was sent by the Father God down to Earth to confirm his contract with Man.

  2. Mithra was born of a Virgin through - Immaculate Conception - He was born of Anahita, an immaculate virgin mother.

  3. Mithra was born in a stable - We celebrate his birth on December 25th -.

  4. Mithra was visited by wise men bearing gifts.

  5. Mithra had 12 disciples - He was called the Messiah -.

  6. Mithra was also the god of Darius, conqueror of Babylon, He was called - - Messiah - - or Christos by Jews during their Captivity.

  7. Mithra made a (Contract) or (Covenant) with Man confirming an older contract with God - The Persian word Mithra literally means - - Contract. - -

  8. Mithra celebrated a last supper with his disciples before his death.

  9. Mithra died to atone for the sins of Man.

  10. Mithra was resurrected on a Sunday.

  11. Mithra ascended into Heaven to rejoin his Father.

  12. Mithra will return to pass judgment on Man - He was known as the judger of souls -.

  13. On judgment day, the dead will arise and be judged by Mithra.

  14. Mithra will send sinners to HELL.

  15. Mithra will send the faithful to HEAVEN.

  16. On judgment day there will be a final conflict between Good and Evil - The forces of Evil will be destroyed and the saved will live in paradise forever -.

  17. Mithra is part of a Holy Trinity the - (Father, Son, And Holy Spirit) -, that took human form.

  18. Mithra is depicted as having a halo, (a circular band of light around his head).

  19. Mithra followers drink wine and eat bread, which represent his blood and flesh.

  20. Mithra followers are baptized.

  21. Saturday and Sunday, the two (2) days of the week to rest and celebrate.

That is a whole lot of remarkable coincidences, all from thousands of years before ISSAH or Jesus was born.

The Holy book of Zoroastrian was called the Avesta of Zarathustra ( Zoroaster is the Greek word for the Persian - - Zarathustra - - ). The Jews were well aware of this book.

Mithra worship declined with the arrival of the strong Zoroastrian philosophy of - - One True God - -. in the Roman Empire.

Mithra worship increased again and became very popular during the late Roman Empire... When did this happen? Yes. The first Century AD, another remarkable coincidence.

From what race did the mythical Jesus allegedly come from? The Jews! Who had already been influenced by the Mithra cult and adopted many other Zoroastrian beliefs.

Who convened the Great Christian Council of Nicea in 325-AD? The Roman Emperor Constantine. Who did he worship before his conversion? Mithra!!!

The large number of similarities between the Persian / Zorastrian God Mithra and the Judeo/Christian Jesus are just too many to be mere coincidences... The two stories are just too much alike... even down to the gifts brought by the wise men to the stable for the infant Mithraism, born of a virgin, the son of God, savior of mankind who died to save us from evil.

It is blindingly obvious that Christianity is just a plagiarization of the earlier Persian Cult of Mithraism. There is nothing original in the Christian belief system. It is all copied.

Christianity has always practiced this art of absorbing other people's beliefs and calling them their own.... Easter from the pagan festival of Eastre... High Mass, Sunday Sabbath, Holly and Ivy, Decorating trees, Monotheism, The Eucharist... All of it is taken from Mithra.

The bread disks that the Mithra worshipers ate during their Mass to symbolize the flesh of their God was marked with a cross, - - hundreds of years before it became a Christian symbol. - -

And finally, during the Roman Revival of the Mithraism Cult, where do you think the cult centered?

- - - On The One And The Same - Vatican Hill - in Rome - - - !

Christianity is a false religion with no doctrine of its own. All of its dogma, its rituals, its key characters, its very foundation is stolen from Mithraism.

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Well, as usual in the good old Christian fashion, Fanatic Christians deliberately fail to realize that:
  1. Christianity is Mithraism. - The Christian religion is nothing but a plagiarized version of what EVERYONE claims to be pure mythology, therefore so is Christianity.

  2. Even the artifacts have been positively dated to WAY earlier than Christianity, so NO, someone did not just - - Make Them Up. - -
Christianity is what was made up, then spread by a psychotic man called Paul, who had his - - Vision - -, while on the road to Damascus. Paul's vision, has since been proven to have been the result of a - - Temporal Lobe Epileptic Seizure. - - For 20 years this delusional man thought the end of the world was coming each and every day he woke up.

Everything this irrational man wrote was while he believed that at any moment the end was coming. This is what Christian Fundamentalist consider - - Words to LIVE by - - instead quite obviously they were - - Words to DIE by, - - written by a psychologically impaired man.

Paul is the first Christian mullah, a figure largely responsible for bringing the Christian message to the Roman Empire. Paul was born a Roman citizen at Tarsus in Cilicia, the son of a Jew belonging to the tribe of Benjamin. He was known originally as Saul.

Paul was arrested while preaching and taken into custody near Troas. He was transferred to Rome and was beheaded in the Neronian persecution when he was 65 or 67 years old. His remains were buried on the road to Ostia.

Paul was instrumental in organizing the fundamentalist Christian Church. Through his disturbed psychotic writings he plagiarized and elevated Mithraism to Christianity.

Paul transformed a minor and obscure sect of Judaism, ISSAH's movement, by copying Mithraism, replacing Mithra with ISSAH and then calling him Jesus, a Greek name-meaning angel.

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A spiritual reinterpretation of Persian Mithraism was suppressed when Constantine I decided to transform Mithraism from a Persian originated religion into a Roman version. Pursuant to his command, historians changed the name from Mithraism to Christianity and ISSAH replaced Mithra and was named Jesus. Roman historians began plagiarizing a new book of lies. Soon after, Constantine I converted to Christianity in CE 312.

Constantine I was raised at the Eastern court of Emperor Diocletian. In 305 Constantius and Galerius succeeded Maximian and Diocletian as the Western and Eastern emperor, respectively. In 306 Constantius died at York, north of England. Soon after Constantine was acclaimed as the Western emperor by the Roman army.

Galerius, however, proclaimed Flavius Valerius Severus as the Western emperor. Maximian and his son, Maxentius, defeated Severus, who was replaced by Licinius. Constantine invaded Italy and killed Maxentius at the Battle of Milvian Bridge (312). Constantine and Licinius were now confirmed as the Western and Eastern emperors respectively.

In 313 they signed the Edict of Milan, extending tolerance to Christians throughout the Roman Empire. In 324 Constantine crushed Licinius and became sole ruler.

Constantine presided over the first ecumenical council of the Christian church at Nicaea (325), which condemned Arianism. In (330) Constantine rebuilt Byzantium as his capital, renaming it Constantinople, (today's Istanbul).

Constantine I centralized imperial power and minted a new gold coin, the solidus, that remained the basic unit of Byzantine currency for a thousand years. Above all, Constantine was responsible for the Christianization of the Roman Empire.

His commitment to Christianity was reflected in the building of the Church of the Holy Wisdom (the original Hagia Sophia), Constantinople, the first St. Peter's basilica, Rome, and the Church of the Holy Sepulcher, Jerusalem.

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It must be noted that the Judaism theology including the Ten Commandments, was stolen from the Egyptian Book Of Death, obviously an Egyptian theology. Christianity was stolen from the Persian Mithraism, evidently a Persian theology, and finally, Islam, which its criminal manual is almost identical to the barbaric dogmas of Judaism manual with the exception of a few names changed. It is no secret that Muhammad idealized Moses and that Muhammad's criminal genocidal conquests rivals those of Moses.

Besides of the true character of Moses, as stated and acknowledged in the Jewish manual, which is the most revolting as it can possibly be imagined. Moses clearly was the first of the so-called GOD Messengers who began the conduct of genocidal religious wars to conquer, plunder and advance the false pretences of religion; and under the mask of all that is holy, committed the most unexampled atrocities that are to be found in the history of any nation on earth, of which I will state only one instance. When Moses and his Jewish army returned from one of their plundering and murdering excursions, the account goes on as follows:

- - And Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and all the princes of the congregation, went forth to meet them without the camp; and Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle; and Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the - thous ands, and captai commit trespass against the Lord in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the Lord. Now, therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known a man by lying with him; but all the women-children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. - - (Chap. xxxi., ver. 13)

Muhammad did almost exactly the same, following Moses footsteps, using the same revolting doctrines and tactics to become the Islamic Emperor of the world. Through the same brainwashing methods Muhammad and his criminal army converted, subjugated and murdered the nonbelievers, followed by the plunder, enslavement and rape of the captive virgins of any age.

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We all are well aware and familiar with the luxurious life style and the power of the religious mullahs representing the three (3) Adam and Eve based religions: Judaism, Christianity and Islam. These religious mullahs have been claiming that we, the humankind must sacrifice and are here only to Glorify God and obey HIM, - - which in reality, it means to Glorify the barbaric elitist mullahs and obey them as the self-proclaimed ambassadors and voices of the ultimate holy criminal, the murdering, sadistic, chauvinist, racist, sexist, anti-reason, blood thirsty masculine MALE GOD. - - A God so confused who fools but assures, - Jews, Christians and Muslims -, all, the very same nonexistence promised heaven above, only if they convert each-other to their faith, even if they had to kill them to go where it does not exist!!!

Religious mullahs and their fabricated belief system are responsible for most of the large scale genocidal wars, today's, - Homicide Bombers, Ethnic-Cleansing and mass systematic planned extermination of many nations, all driven by the greedy barbaric mullahs. Even though many religions mullahs claim to be peaceful and against killing of the innocent, they promote extermination of those who do not believe in their myth by promising the stupid brainwashed followers / killers a special treatment and status in the nonexistence promised heaven.

Religious competition between the three (3) Adam and Eve based religions; Judaism, Christianity and Islam, have robbed the humankind of an enormous amount of knowledge, wisdom, dignity and compassion, by killing those who dared to challenge the barbarism of religion and think differently. Humankind had suffered thousands of years setback and lost countless scientific advancements and wisdom due to the religious mullahs conducts of burning scientist, free thinking philosophers and millions of books to prevent humankind from finding out the truth. Religious mullahs brought us brutal torture, slavery, genocide, terrorism and religious wars, as did their bosses, the so-called GOD Messengers, sadly ever present in all of the so-called civilized and the not civilized nations on Earth, even today and have been for the most part of human recorded history, ever since the invention of religion by MAD MEN.

Fundamentalism of any kind and color is a big fatal mistake. No philosophy or religion ever had the answer and none ever will. Reality based on hallucination and assumptions is not reality. It's a myth. Theocracy pushing the public to be favorable toward a theoretical idea of one form or another will only bring us to where we are today and even worse, if we, the people continue on this self-destructive journey. The truth must be told about these barbaric widespread mythological beliefs. The deeply rooted hatred caused by mullahs for thousands of years must be openly and honestly discussed to remedied this old nasty wound, before we, the humankind are annihilated.

The three (3) barbaric Adam and Eve based religions, Judaism, Christianity, Islam and their manuals of human slavery, subjugation, conquest, looting, murder and hate are humankind's problem all over the world, more dangerous and deadly than any weapons of mass destruction - WMD - ever invented. We must solve these deadly problems through conversation not confliction, by shedding the bright light of truth and common sense on Judaism, Christianity and Islam's criminal mullahs deceptive lies and their manuals.

Humanity has paid an extremely heavy price of time, blood and treasure in order to evolve, to reach, and gain the little wisdom that we have today. We must realize that the destructive extent of tribal religious wars for the past thousands of years has destroyed countless works of art, science books and the scientist who wrote them. Humanity would have been in a much better place had it not been for the criminal atrocities of the religious mullahs. The scope of tribal religious wars is no longer limited to genocide, ethnic cleansing and burning down nations on the horse back anymore. We have now entered the age of religious Atomic Annihilation of our one, and only home, Planet Earth, and all of its inhabitants. The extremely dangerous and racist tribal supremacy if not stopped, it would stop all of us, the humankind.

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- - I believe that religious duties consist of doing justice, loving mercy, and endeavoring to make our fellow creatures happy, - my own mind is my own church - -
Thomas Paine - The Age of Reason
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Sources:
Book of Mithra, Book of Zoroaster, Avesta - History of Persian Empire, Prior to Islam - History of Roman Empire - The Three (3) Barbaric Adam & Eve Based Religions, Judaism, Christianity, Islam's Manuals.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The original christianity which was around during Jesus's time and then later on in Ethiopia was actually not like Mithraism though.
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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2006 7:14 am    Post subject: Nonsense... Reply with quote

Nonsense, you are missing the point here, read the whole article...
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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2006 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

probably. skim reading isnt one of my skills ... Razz



now having read it, a few things caught my sight:
1. "Christianity, Judaism, Islam skrooed knowledge and wisdom." I actually could not believe this! Does the word "surgery" ring a bell? Most medecine thingies were first developed in Islamic Empire. Christian Rome pretty much topped the architecture and engineering field, not to mention being a few years away from STEAM POWER when they were destroyed. They even had cement that would set underwater! And then theres Ayasofya, which has managed to resist everything plate tectonics has thrown at it - built by a Christian Roman Emperor.
2. Jesus was a prophet, although it is true, Paul did mutate Christianity into what it is today - I was told that it was to make it more appealing to the Romans to stop them persecuting Christians - although I might be mistaken. That's one of the reasons Ethiopian Christians accepted Islam in the 7th Century - their Christianity hadn't been mutated and there were so many similarities that there was no point it having separate names.
3. I thought Moses was a goog guy (Exodus, right?). I'm not even going near the issue of Mohammad because both me and you lot are stuck in our different beliefs believing different histories and whatever. Although, to be fair, my father is the most devout man I know (Muslim). By some strange force, he's also the most good person I know - we follow a no-**** Islam. If God herself ever tells us to go bombing, chances are we'd make an appointment with a doctor/psychiatrist rather than with a weapon-seller, because its completely against our god to tell us to go bombing. As for myself - officially I'm a muslim, but you can call me whatever you like (Pantheist is preferred lol) - but I have also never had urges to bomb someone. Wikipedia seems to give the impression that the arab conquests (note: ARAB conquests) were due to a pan-arabisation thingy instead of religion. In the same way I could say: Oh, the British came with their Christianity and pillaged India, Oh, the Romans came with their christianity and conquered Europe - hence Christianity teaches us to conquer. Oh, Kurosh came with his Zoroastrian armies and conquered a large chunk of Asia - hence Zoroastrianism must be a violent religion. I could list every single civilisation on earth that ever existed to have done this - does this mean that every single relgion on earth teaches violence? I think not. I think they were political moves, and, as Iran has proved, politics should not be confused with religion.
4. MITHRA PWNS
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WOW!!! I'm so surprised that I never noticed this article before! This belongs in the Religion and philosophy board. Man, buddy, you could not possibly be more wrong about this. I'm surprised that people are still buying into this crap 2000 years after it originated! This has been disproven so many times in the last 2000 years that I couldnt possibly begin to write a rebuttal to this but I think I'll try anyway. Where to start, Ok first, you are right about the 21 points about Mithras except all this was added to his myth 200 years after the birth of christianity. The romans thought that Christianity was a little too exclusive for them to grab onto at first so they modified Mithraism to better fit the story of christianity. But eventually Christianity won out and Mithraism disappeared. Some of the things about mithras like his birthday being on the 25th of December are correct. The catholics (not most christians) decided to make Christ's birthday on the winter solstice (the 25th) in order to make christianity more appealing to romans. But most christians know that Jesus' birthday was actually around easter (his death day). I often wonder if Jesus was given exactly 33 years of human life or something because of this fact.
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The above story sounds uncannily similar to the story of Jesus, or ISSAH, his real name.

Woah woah woah! dude you just lost ALL credibility with that statement right there! His name was never "Issah" of even Jesus. His name was and is Yeshua (Hameshiach) a derivative of Yahshua (Joshua) which means "Lord who is Salvation" in Hebrew. Seriously dude, get your facts straight before you make posts like this. Also he certainly did not die of "natural causes." If theres one thing that secular documentation does agree on from that time period is that this fellow was executed by crucifiction by the romans. The roman emporer never worshiped mithras! he was a staunch Zeus worshiper before converting to cristianity.
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There is nothing original in the Christian belief system. It is all copied.

Uh huh...Look I've spent the last 7 years of my life sorting through different religions and I can tell you personally, that there is no religion more original than christianity. It is the only religion on earth that emphesises God's reaching out to mankind to save us from our fate as opposed to the entire rest of world religion which is about earning your way to God or to heaven.
But I do have to admit that the Catholics seem to have copied some aspects of different cults at the time such as "christ-mass day" and All hallows eve. I guess it was to attract more followers. But I follow a more protestant/eastern orthodox/messianic Judaism version than that.
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Christianity is what was made up, then spread by a psychotic man called Paul, who had his - - Vision - -, while on the road to Damascus. Paul's vision, has since been proven to have been the result of a - - Temporal Lobe Epileptic Seizure. - - For 20 years this delusional man thought the end of the world was coming each and every day he woke up.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH!!!!!!!! That is just classic!!!!!!! Paul is one of the most deeply spiritual men ive ever read about. Not to meantion that his life is the most telling testimony of the early christians horrendous persecution. In fact I would say that his testimony is one of the biggest reasons that I became a christian. He was one of the most zealous and selfish men of his time mercilessly killing christians and seperatists until that vision. Then he changed his name, gave away everything he ever owned, and spent the rest of his life in service to those around him until he was brutally beheaded by the emporer Nero. I'm sorry but if you consider that psychotic, then what does that say about you?
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Paul transformed a minor and obscure sect of Judaism, ISSAH's movement, by copying Mithraism, replacing Mithra with ISSAH and then calling him Jesus, a Greek name-meaning angel.

He was the first christian to minister to non-jews but he didnt transform it at all. and "Jesus" doesn't mean anything its a mispelling and mispronunciation of Yesu the greek form of Yeshua.
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It is no secret that Muhammad idealized Moses and that Muhammad's criminal genocidal conquests rivals those of Moses.

No Moses only killed the one egyptian before he became the deliverer. He never went on genocidal conquests.
That little verse you quote is where a few seperatists within the jewish camp tried to usurp the leadership by killing Moses and his followers.
For more information on this great misconception of Mithraism check out this website. http://www.summit.org/resource/essay/show_essay.php?essay_id=29
You are obviously the athiestic type so no matter what I say you still going to believe that ALL religion is evil no matter what. And as far as Islam goes I have to agree with you. But religion is not going to destroy the world. Take a chill pill. Lord knows you could use one! I can't tell you how many people have been helped by religion. I know a man that right now is digging wells for the poor people of afghanistan. He is sacrificing himself for the better of people he barely knows! and you think he's a crazed lunatic. The Taliban and Al Qaida agents would kill him if they could get their hands on him but the people of the village love him so much that they are keeping them at bay. Seriously, man, you need to redefine your view of religion. In the end, religion is going to save the world...whether you want it to or not.
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No Moses only killed the one egyptian before he became the deliverer. He never went on genocidal conquests.
That little verse you quote is where a few seperatists within the jewish camp tried to usurp the leadership by killing Moses and his followers.


What about that little incident with the medianites?

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2) Murder, rape and pillage of the Midianites (Numbers 31:7-18 NLT)



They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.



Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded. "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.



Clearly Moses and God approves of rape of virgins.

Taken from http://www.evilbible.com/Rape.htm
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 6:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh wait your right I got my incidents confused. The uprising took place before this. Ok as for this, check out this site about it. http://www.carm.org/diff/Num_31_17.htm
As I stated in one of my previous posts,
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Now let me first say this, I am a Christian and not a Jew. I dont always agree with everything that Jews do. However this is an interesting verse so I will do some commentation on it. The Jews had been treated horribly for hundreds of years by their neighbors (if you can even call them that) They were enslaved, murdered, raped, forced into removal from their land and so on and so forth. For nearly 200 years or more the jews had been enslaved in Egypt and had just recently been set free by moses. For nearly 600 years the Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites and others had been warned through several prophets that if they didnt change their ways (sexual imorallity, cruelty, hatred, murdering, you name it) They would be completely destroyed. After 600 years nothing had changed. God wanted to create a pure nation amongst the filth. He wanted none of the above things to infect his people so he ordered them to kill them all in order that they might remain untouched by their sinfulness. (This is a part of the contract that God made with the israelites.) It was all about remaining pure and holy before their Lord and King. 600 years is a lot of mercy for these people. If you read the account they were very barbaric. But they had plenty of chances.

You see it would have been easy for the ancient Israelites to simply amalgamate these different tribes into themselves. But God demanded a purity of spirit from his people. He knew that the Israelites would intermarry and accept different religions and the Contract (Covenant) God had made with them would eventually pass from memory. They had to remain pure before God or the comming of the Messiah would be null and void. This was a critical time for Israel and God knew it. Satan was this close to winning and so God knew that He couldn't screw around. This was a serious threat to his perfect plan. It wasn't a pleasant thing to be sure, but it had to be done and thankfully it hasn't been done since and I doubt it will ever be necessary again now that the Messiah has come. This a an extremely isolated incident but one frequently used as ammunition against Jews and Christians because for one verse, it almost looks like God is a genocidal maniac. But this was not the case. These different tribes were far from innocent and fully deserved what happened to them. Many Isrealites hated it but they knew they had signed a contract with God himself and there was no backing out of it now. God is not bloodthirsty but in this scenario, He had little choice if His plan was to succeed. Remember these different tribes had plenty of ways out of this: they could have moved, they could have acctepted Judaism and changed their barbarous ways or they could have left Israel alone. But they chose their own path and it was either the Israelites or them.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hear loads of references to a "plan," but what is it?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 1:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I hear loads of references to a "plan," but what is it?

The "plan" goes like so: If you (the Israelites) choose to worship me as your only God and King and obey my commandments, then I (God) will send "the annointed one" through the bloodline of the Jews that will save not only you (the Israelites) but every single man, woman and child on earth. But only if you swear eternal loyalty to me alone and remain pure before me. If you swear to this, sign here.................... If not, I will simply find another people to offer this honor. What say you?

Its as simple as that. The Jews signed the contract and the rest is history. Of course there were alot specifics they had to agree to. Like to perform the ceremony of atonement on Yom Kippur (day of atonement). Where they sacrificed a perfect innocent lamb in atonement for the sins of Israel (other nations were allowed to participate if they chose to). But you get the idea. So basically sign the contract (covenant), obey God's laws and the Messiah will come and save you all.
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anusiya



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok.

but why did god go to israel first. why not japan? or native americans? or mongols?

i mean, surely, at the timeframe that happened, there wouldnt really have been a great deal of religion, perhaps not even language and sophisticated societies and urbanisation (ok, you get the idea).
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Cyrizian



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You know your probably right... Maybe God already tried everyone else first... Maybe out of all the tribes of people on earth the Jews were the only ones who agreed or maybe (this is my personal theory) God decided that he wanted the most hardheaded stubborn race on the planet. Because if it could work for them, it could work for anyone!!!! (LOL Jews will hate me for that) I honestly don't know. But I like to think that I'll find out one day. But for whatever reason, Moses and his followers signiture is on that contract. They (barely) kept up their end of the bargain and so God kept his end too. Although God got very furious with his people on quite a few occasions and let other nations conquer them for a time to humble them. Maybe its a good thing that our people nowadays arent having to go though that ordeal. But the Jews did and thats why they have the right to call themselves "Gods chosen." But you should know that it wasn't earned lightly. they are still suffering the side effects...
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