[FREE IRAN Project] In The Spirit Of Cyrus The Great

[Liberator]

Sourena,

Since you evaded to answer my questions I will re-state what I wrote in hope that you will answer them provided that you have a good answer!

"Is it not a good deed to combat terrorism, savagery, killings!??! Is it not a good deed to defend your country?! Would you stand by as your mother is being raped and say "afarin" as a sign of good words and good deeds? Afarin to our fellow so called "zartoshti" on here (sourena)!
I hope your not another ISLAM-APOLOGIST!"


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[Eternal1]

[Azadeh_55]

Again, when you are speaking English, it is Persian and not "Farsi".

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Azadeh: Well said, as always.......

[Sourena]

Liberator, I didn't evade your question, it's just hard to answer 5 people at the same time, so naturally I forgot a question or two. So...
When did I EVER say that those were not good deeds? Have you ever heard me say that? I thought not.

Eternal1, Iranians (mostly) were not forced to abandon their religion. As any persian historian will tell you, the Iranians, at the time of the Invasions were quite fed up with the Zoroastrian Magi. Religious leaders, (and I stress, NO MATTER WHICH RELIGION) will always eventually become corrupt, if they are given too much power. This was the case with the Magi at that point. Most Iranians embraced Islam at that point, because they saw much of the same things as Zoroastrianism in it.

And arabs have tried to make Iran abandon its own culture, but we haven't. Look at the Egyptians and the Iraqis. They are Arabs now, yet they were not always. We have kept our own culture because we have something called "cultural integrity". And what do you mean almost? Maybe the Iranians that you hang out with have abandoned their culture, but no one i know has.

Who gave you the strong impression to recite the Quran in Arabic? Were you talking with a Mullah and he told you to do it? Where does it say that you will be blessed if you speak arabic? Quote it. I have never heard that Arabic is the language of God. Even saying that phrase is blaspheming.

Azadeh, I can say Farsi if I want. I will call my mother language by its name. Wasn't it you that said no one has the right to tell people they can't express themselves the way they want?

This language that we are talking now has been "polluted" with French words. Why do the English, and Americans use so many french words in their daily speaking? Why do they name their children Louis, Francis, Charles, Henry, and Joan? What reason could there possibly be for a bunch of people to forget that they have a language fo their own and start speaking in foreign words? It was because William the Conqueror invaded England and added 10000 words from French to English. Again, the English did not have enough "cultural integrity" to keep a hold on their mother language, but we do and we have.

It is natural that their names have leaked into ours. The reason that it has not taken it over completely is because we are so culturally strong. You who are such a strong supporters of the Shah and Farah forget that neither of their names are actually Iranian. You make it sound as if NOBODY names their children Iranian names anymore. Shame on you for disrespecting our proud and strong culture that still survives, and will forever survive.

However, again your arguments have nothing to do with Islam, they are about Arabs. You started by talking about Arab influence on Farsi, then Arab influence on daily speach, then Arab influence on names, and then you concluded that Islam and Arabism go hand in hand. Woah! look at that, none of your arguments have ANYTHING to do with Islam.

You are saying that if a person is of a specific religion, the country where that religion originated influences every aspect of their life?
Well let's look at some examples.
Christianity originated in Judea. So does that mean that Russian culture is dominated by Judea?
Protistantism originated in Germany. So does that mean that English Culture is overpowered by German culture?
Buddhism originated in eastern Asia, so does that make Buddhist Indians want to learn Karate and build a great wall around their empire?
And lastly, Zoroastrianism originated in Iran. So does that mean that the Zoroastrians in India (that make up 1/2 of the world's Zoroastrian population) have an overpowering urge to speak in Farsi and eat Ghorme Sabzi?

I don't think so.

[Liberator]

Sourena (our so-called zoroastrian),

You condemned Saman's view on the evil that is infecting Iran and Iranians. The TAZINAMEH is practically a terrorist handbook! We know what the evil is, it has been identified, now we have to deal with it. Now if you are a TRUE zoroastrian then spread good thoughts, good words, and good deeds! Expose the TAZI ideology for what it is, expose its past bloody history, expose its savage leaders! Defend your country from this brainwashing which will lead to our doom if its let to grow!

When referring to the language spoken by Iranians/Persians in ENGLISH you say PERSIAN and nothing else unless you want to make a FOOL out of yourself.

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[Sourena]

Please read what you write before you post it. Nothing you said was even relevant to my last post. You talk like a Mullah, maybe I should call you Imam Liberator.

[Liberator]

[Sourena]

in that case, way to be off-topic, we settled that quite a while ago. please stick to the matter at hand.

But to reply anyway:
"Now if you are a TRUE zoroastrian then spread good thoughts, good words, and good deeds! Expose the TAZI ideology for what it is, expose its past bloody history, expose its savage leaders! "
what is it with people and oxymorons? If I were to talk about their bloody history, that wouldn't constitute good thoughts and good words now would it?

[Liberator]

[Sourena]

You have not asked me any real questions, Liberator. Here, I have copied every single line of your posts in this topic, and answered the questions.

[Liberator]

Sourena,

LOL you're really a sad case. I'm glad you found the questions I referred to but haven't yet figured out why you've reposted the other statements that weren't questions , its all about comprehension skills mate.

Thank you for answering my questions and dis-crediting yourself by doing so. Continue being the false "zoroastrian" that you are; any intelligent person would see that your anything but a "zoroastrian".

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[Azadeh_55]

[Azadeh_55]

This is for those of you who are too lazy to go out and find these verses on your own:

[Sourena]

Liberator, NOW I'm going to start igonoring you because it seems you have nothing intelligent to say, and it is not worth my time to bicker with you.

Azadeh:
1. Iranians embraced Islam (At the beginning) because they saw much of Zoroastianism in it, and they saw that it was less corrupt (at that time). If the people of Iran had not embraced Islam, there is no way the arab invasion would have happened. At the time of the Invasions, Iran had a standing army of about 50,000. Estimated up to 500,000 in times of war. Now, imagine this. How would 20,000 (at the very most) arab raiders with no military training or proper equipment, have defeated 50,000 highly trained, highly mobile, highly organized, and highly equipped Iranian Soldiers?

The people embraced Islam at first, until they saw the Arab's savagery, which was when the resistance began.

2. Actually I did not know many of those points, thank you for enlightening me. However, I disagree, I don't think they will be able to replace the culture, the Iranian people won't stand for it.

3. I am not an authority, but i was educated in Iran, and we had the religion class. It is blasphemy to say that the Almighty God is restricted to one language and does not know any others.

4. I have not read your post on the Farsi-Persian matter. please post a link to it, and if it is as serious as you say, i will start calling the language by the name 'Persian'

5. No we are not British or French. We are not egyptian either. So let's worry about our culture, and put aside the point that they lost theirs. (I am stating this in referance to #2)

6. What? What do you mean "people like me"? I have a purely Iranian Name, and plan on naming my children Iranian names. (Parviz in fact is my first choice, after my grandfather). People "like me" that are proud and have faith in our culture will cause our culture to be destroyed? that doesn't make much sense to me.

6. I was pointing out, (and i still stick to my argument) that none of your points said anything about Islam, just Arabs.

7. Actually, the "Islamic Expansionists" were "spreading the word of God". and they were not the only religion doing this. What do you think the crusades were about?

8. You cannot call me lazy, you didn't even give me a chance to find those verses.

9. These verses only talk about Qurans being in Arabic. That is only common sense. They did not know other languages, so how could they make Qurans in other languages. Was the Avesta written in Chinese, and Greek and Indian versions in 1500 BCE?

10. Of course God revealed the Quran in Arabic to Arabic-speaking people so that they would understand it, what else would he reveal it in? Pig Latin?


Azadeh, you did make several good points, but i'm not sure what you are pointing towards? That Islam is evil?

Let me tell you something. Every religion grows up, like a person, with age. Christianity is 2000 years old, Islam is 1400 years old. Christianity was just as savage and just as brutal as Islam when it was 1400 years old. Have you ever read into the details of the Spanish Inquisition? Nothing the Arabs, Alexander, or even Genkhis Khan ever did was that bloody. What I'm trying to get at, is that each religion needs time to evolve. Islam 600 years from now, won't be the same thing. My bet is that it will be a lot more humane.