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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2003 3:08 am    Post subject: Please … Call Me an Iranian, Not a Moslem Reply with quote

“Please … Call Me an Iranian, Not a Moslem!”
"This is my simple religion. There is no need for temples; no need for complicated philosophy. Our own brain, our own heart is our temple; the philosophy is kindness."
-Dalai Lama

By Farhad Mafie
P.O. Box 51330, Irvine, CA 92619
949-851-1714
Mafie@att.net
November 16, 2003

Hold on to Your Hat!

Some days the Persian Gulf is referred to as the Arabian Gulf. Some days Rumi–the great Iranian poet and philosopher—is referred to as a poet from Afghanistan or a poet from Turkey. Some days Sina or Avicenna, Rāzi, Farabi, Birouni—the great Iranian scientists—are referred to as Arab scientists. Some days Iranian arts are referred to as Islamic arts in famous European galleries.

Why, then, should we be surprised to hear that European officials and the European media are referring to Ms. Ebadi, the Iranian Nobel Peace Prize winner, not as an “Iranian” but as a “Moslem”? Has she lost her nationality? Consider this: If a German or a Canadian (or anyone else for that matter) wins the Prize, does the media refer to the winner as a “Lutheran” or as a “Methodist”? No! Why, then, are Europeans bestowing Iranians with the new title “Moslem”?

The title “Moslem” pleases only the Islamic Republic of Iran (IRI) and others who are promoting the notion of Western Civilization vs. The Moslem World. Strategically, this renaming is a significant gift to the Islamic government of Iran because since the establishment of this antediluvian system in Iran its leaders have done their best to replace the notion of Iranian Identity and Nationality with Moslem Identity and Nationality both inside and outside Iran. Ayatollah Khomeini has emphasized this goal in several of his speeches, for example, on Dec 1980 (as published in Kayhan):

“Those who say that we want nationality, they are standing against Islam. . . . We have no use for the nationalists. Moslems are useful for us. Islam is against nationality. . . .”

“These issues that exist among people that we are Iranian and what we need to do for Iran are not correct; these issues are not correct. This issue, which is perhaps being discussed everywhere, regarding paying attention to nation and nationality is nonsense in Islam and is against Islam. One of the things that the designers of Imperialism and their agents have promoted is the idea of nation and nationality.”

Maintaining an Iranian identity and nationality has been an on-going struggle for Iranians since the seventh century Islam-Arab attack on Iran. This struggle, as well as the new European strategies for collaboration with the Islamic government of Iran, requires much insight and understanding. And it should be taken very seriously by all Iranians and those who are interested in long-term world peace.


The Persian Empire Existed Long Before Islam

Let’s not forget that Iran was a great empire long before the existence of Islam. Let’s not forget that:

Cyrus the Great (580–529 BC), the first Achaemenian Emperor of Persia, issued a decree that was later hailed as the Charter of Human Rights for all nations. Inscribed on a clay cylinder, this first declaration of human rights is now kept at the British Museum. A replica is also on display at the United Nations in New York.

By the time of his death in Battle, Cyrus had conquered the whole of Asia Minor, Babylonia, Syria, and Palestine, and made Persia the world’s leading nation. Four years later his son Cambyses had conquered Egypt and ruled an empire bordered by India in the east and the Mediterranean Sea in the West.

“The post-exilic books of the Hebrew Bible often reflect this perception of the Persian conquests of the sixth century BCE as a fulfillment of God’s purpose. This comes out most strongly in Isaiah (44:28 and 45:1), when the Persian King Cyrus is spoken of as God’s shepherd and even as God’s anointed (Hebrew mashiab).”

“Darius (522 BC) the king thus says: In the protection of Ahuramazda, I am of such a character: What is right I love and what is not right I hate. . . Of the man who speaks against the truth, never do I trust a word.”

“To the end of his life Darius continued to express his pride in his Ordinance of Good Regulations. His reputation as a lawgiver survived him. To Plato, Darius was the lawgiver whose laws had preserved the Persian Empire to the Philosopher’s own day.”

“Says Darius the King: This land Parsa, which Ahuramazda has granted me, which is beautiful, possessing good horses and good men, by the favor of Ahuramazda and of me, Darius the king, it has no fear of an enemy.
“Says Darius the King: May Ahuramazda bring me help with all other gods, and may Ahuramazda protect this land from a hostile horde, from the evildoer, and from the Lie.”

“In an inscription of 260 CE proclaiming his victory over the Romans, the Persian ruler Shapur I described himself as follows: ‘I, Lord Shapur, worshipper of Mazda, King of Kings of Iran and of non-Iran, of the race of the Gods, son of the worshipper of Mazda the Lord Ardashir, King of Kings of Iran, of the race of the Gods, grandson of Papak . . . I am the ruler of the land of Iran.’ ”


The First Islam-Arab Attack and the Iranian Struggle to Maintain Our Identity

The history of Iran shows that the Iranian ethnicity, nationality, and culture have proven over and over again that—despite lost wars at the hands of Islam-Arabs, Mongols, etc.—Iranians have been able to survive by assimilating the imposed new cultures into the Iranian culture and by overwhelming them with the rich Iranian ethnicity and nationality.

However, neutralizing and removing the influences of the seventh century Islam-Arab attack on Iran due to its strong entanglement with Islam have been an on-going struggle for Iranians throughout the centuries. This struggle started very early in every aspect of Iranian cultural, political, and religious lives.

For example, after the Islam-Arab invasion of the seventh century, Iran was the first and the only country that recovered its distinct Iranian identity from its victorious enemy. Iran alone retained its Persian language, which it still uses, while the rest of the countries that were conquered by the Arabs lost their original language, and today they speak Arabic. Although many Iranian scholars, poets, writers, and scientists contributed greatly to enriching the Arabic language and culture, they nevertheless maintained their own distinct Iranian identity. For example, one of the most important contributions of Iranian scholars to the Arabic language was the development of the Arabic grammar by the Iranian scholar Siboyeh.

Overall, Iranians retained a strong awareness of their homeland as something much more than just a physical place. The reason is very obvious. Iran was NOT just another place that Arabs subjugated. Iran was a political entity (the Persian Empire) centuries prior to the creation of Islam or the formation of the Arab countries. And memories of that independence and greatness were very much fresh in Iranian’s cultural memory. Sigmund Freud refers to this memory as the collective or cultural memories of a nation or a group of people. This collective and cultural memory has helped Iranians to maintain their nationality and not adopt the Arab identity despite the fact that many of them were forced to adopt Islam.

Interestingly, even today, if someone mistakenly calls an Iranian an “Arab,” the speaker will be informed very politely and promptly that he or she is not an Arab but an Iranian (or a Persian).


Iranian Poets and Thinkers Leading the Struggle . . .

As part of restoring Iran’s identity and sense of nationality after the seventh century Islam-Arab attack, Iran’s greatest poet of all time, Ferdowsi , tells the courageous, noble, and heroic deeds of ancient Iran and Iranians in his masterpiece Shahnameh (Book of Kings). In this beautiful poem Ferdowsi uses poetic rhymes so simple that every Iranian, regardless of his or her literacy, can memorize these stories and be proud of his or her Iranian identity and past. Many of the Shahnameh stories have served to strengthen and to reinforce the sense of Iranian identity and Iranian nationality within the Islamic and Arab folds. Thus Shahnameh became Iran’s national epic and for many Iranians more important than their holy book.

Due to Ferdowsi’s great contribution to Iranian identity and ethnicity, the Islamic clergies of the time did not allow his body to be buried in a Moslem cemetery, forcing Iranians to bury their poet in his private garden. Finally, after many centuries, the great Reza Shah Pahlavi in the twentieth century built a beautiful, well-deserved tomb for this great patriotic poet of Iran.

Nader Naderpour (1929-2000) believed that the reason that Ferdowsi started Shahnameh with the story of creation (similar to the structure of many holy religious books) was to make Shahnameh as important as a holy book in the mind of Iranians. Naderpour believed that Ferdowsi was successful in achieving this noble and gallant objective. Incisive as always, Naderpour also felt that Book of Kings should be translated as The Best Book. His reasoning is well founded: In Farsi the prefix shah- means “best” (for example, shahroud means “the best river”), and nameh means “book” (it has other meanings too). Therefore, Shahnameh can also be translated as “The Best Book.”

In this endeavor, Ferdowsi was not alone. In different eras many others tried to recover the past glories and also restore Iranian national identity (to replace the religious identity), including great Iranians poets and thinkers such as Khayyām, Hāfez, Iraj, Dehkhoda, Hedayat, and Naderpour. Iranian Constitutional thinkers such as Âkhundzadeh , Talebof Tabrizi , Mirza Agha Khan Kermani , and Mirza Jahangir Khan Shirazi supported this endeavor as well by contributing to Iranians’ progress toward modernity and secularism in Iran’s 1906 Constitutional Revolution.

They all supported and advocated Iran’s greatness prior to the Islam-Arab attack of the seventh century and tried their best to inform and educate Iranians of their pre-Islamic past as a vehicle to create a patriotic sense in people as well as to limit and stop the power of the Islamic clergies over people’s lives, thus personalizing the notion of religion and separating it from the governing elements of Iran’s societies—for good.


“Islamic Republic of Iran” or “Second Islamic-Arab Attack on Iran”?

From the first days of the Islamic Revolution of 1979, one of the key objectives of the Mullahs (Moslem clergymen) and the ruling Islamic government of Iran has been the promotion of the idea of having one great Islamic Nation (called “omat-e Islam”) among Iranians and other Shiite-based countries in the region. Ayatollah Khomeini, in order to completely deny Iran and its past history, continuously discussed the idea of “omat-e Islam” and continuously emphasized that Iranians are part of the Islamic “omat-e” and that the Iranian nation and Iranian identity have no meaning. According to Khomeini, Westerners, in order to divide Moslems, created the idea of nation, nationality, and identity. To advance his ideology, even during the eight years the Iran-Iraq war, one of Khomeini’s ridiculous objectives was to advance his Shiite-centered Islamic Revolution all the way to the holy sites in the heart of Israel—thus destroying Israel!

To promote the Islamic identity, and at the same time disparage and destroy the Iranian identity, the Islamic government of Iran has been using every possible means, such as:

• Stoning people. Cutting off fingers, right hands, left legs (or vice versa). Gouging eyes. All are now commonly practiced in Islamic Iran.
• Deemphasizing the notion of Iranian nationality in every official government statement. In many government documents even the name “Iran” is omitted.
• Destroying thousands of Iranian historical places and important ancient artwork (or selling them for personal gain). At the beginning of the Islamic Revolution, the infamous Khalkhali (Khomeini’s right hand and the famous butcher of thousands of Iranians) tried to destroy Persepolis, which is one of the most important historical places in the world. He was stopped by the local people who risked their lives in confronting this maniac.
• Renaming many Iranian streets from, for example, “Cyrus the Great” to “Dr. Shariati,” an Islamic-Marxist promoter.
• Commemorating the murder of Anvar Sadat by naming a street in Tehran after his murderer, Khaled Estanboli.
• Trying to replace the Iranian New Year Noerouz (literally “new day”) with a Moslem New Year and preventing Iranians from celebrating all the festivities associated with New Year. They failed big time! Iranians have been celebrating Noerouz and its associated festivities more than ever before as an instrument to show their Iranian independence and identity. Significantly, even during the eight-year Iran-Iraq War, Iranians under Iraqi attack in the southwest provinces still celebrated Noerouz to show their resentment toward their external Arab oppressors and their internal Islamic-government tormenters. Proof indeed that Iranians were willing to fight the imposed ideologies and to protect their rich Iranian ethnicity and nationality.
• Incorporating many new Arabic words and phrases into the Persian language in a deliberate attempt to further damage and weaken the Persian language.
• Destroying many Iranian symbols and replacing them with Islamic signs.
• Deemphasizing the roles of great Iranian poets and thinkers who were free thinkers or were against Islamic rule in Iran.
• Removing the Lion and Sun symbol (which has nothing to do with the Pahlavi Dynasty) from the Iranian flag and, instead, adding the symbol of Hindu-Sikhs.
• Changing the symbol of the Iranian Red Cross to an Arabic version.
• Killing, torturing, or jailing anyone who is against the Islamic system.
• And much more.

That is why Nader Naderpour, in his famous article “In Hope of a Third Movement,” describes the Islamic Revolution of 1979 as the second Islamic invasion on Iran. In Naderpour’s opinion, since the seventh century Arab attack, Iranian thinkers tried twice—unsuccessfully—to rid themselves of Islamic governmental rule. In his article he describes how the Constitutionalists (in Iran’s Constitutional Revolution of 1906) tried to separate religion and state, and to replace “religious identity” with “national identity” in Iran for good.



One More Time . . . The Challenge Is On!

Unfortunately, these days the Islamic government of Iran is getting direct and unprecedented support from its European friends to reach its past-due objectives. Direct support from European countries is a win-win model for both Europe and the Islamic government of Iran—but of course the unfortunate losers would be Iran and the Iranian people … but only if Iranians allow it.

The latest European-promoted and -supported strategy of bestowing Iranians with the new title “Moslem” is part of a much bigger vision, part of a planned strategy that has became apparent since Khatami started his dog-and-pony reformist show more than six years ago.

These days, the European cheerleaders are labeling the collaborators and associates of the Islamic government of Iran with ridiculous slogans such as “Modern Islam,” “Modern Islamic Women,” “Modern Islamic World,” “Modern Islamic Civilizations,” and “Gentler Islam,” all in an effort to extend the life of the Islamic government of Iran for a couple of more decades with a different image. A softer and a gentler radicalism! A true oxymoron …

They are doing their best to destroy the notion of Iranian identity and to promote Islamic fundamentalism as the cultural identity for Iranians—of course, a softer version of Islamic fundamentalism—to further distance Iranians’ struggle toward modernity and Western Civilization.

The objective of European countries, G8, China, etc., is very clear: They all know very well that a religious government in Iran is the best instrument to distance Iran and Iranians from Western Civilization and from individualism, social freedom, democracy, and secularism. These countries know that only a chaotic and oppressive system in Iran continues to bring them financial benefits such as:

• Low-cost oil and gas prices (actually below actual production cost)
• Weapon sales (the result of local conflicts and wars)
• Increased business resulting from war-damaged infrastructures
• And much more


We Have a Choice: We Can Fight Back and Stop This Nonsense!

We Iranians who live either forced or self-imposed lives in exile need to use the freedom that we have along with every possible legal and democratic means available to us to FIGHT BACK and not allow this anti-Iranian movement to become Iran’s next default alternative and Iran’s political scenario for the next few decades.

Every newspaper, every TV and radio station, every government official that substitutes “Moslem” for “Iranian” should be bombarded with phone calls, faxes, emails, and letters against this “Islamic identity.”

The same way that the collaborators and associates of the Islamic government of Iran, the leftover Iranian leftists, and their European cheerleaders are using the media to label us “Moslems,” we must to the same extent show our disapproval by voicing our opinions and expressing our strongest resentment. How else can we end this dark anti-Iranian campaign?


With Pride and Honor, We Have One Simple Message for the Whole World:
“Call Me an Iranian, Not a Moslem”

This is the time to resign once and for all from the “silent majority” and join all those Iranians who care for Iran in this praiseworthy and commendable endeavor. Just say NO to this pro-Islamic and anti-Iranian campaign.

Let us be the last generation of Iranians who experience either a self-imposed or a forced life in exile. Iran deserves much more! So do you! And so do all of us!

Farhad Mafie
Irvine, CA

Copyright © 2003 by Farhad Mafie. All rights reserved. Any reprint of this article must bear this notice. For information, contact Farhad Mafie at Mafie@att.net or at (949) 851-1714.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2003 4:24 pm    Post subject: Iranian Top Enemies Reply with quote

I agree with every words of Mr. Farhad Mafie's article.

EU Fools are promoting new version of Mullahs :
These Images defines EU fools dirty Strategy.
The EU must stop all dirty games now and support Iranian people freedom movement for Regime change now with minimum bloodshed.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/031117/ids_photos_wl/r2022887859.jpg













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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2003 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another Masterpiece from Farhad Mafie . Truly great.

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They are doing their best to destroy the notion of Iranian identity and to promote Islamic fundamentalism as the cultural identity for Iranians—of course, a softer version of Islamic fundamentalism—to further distance Iranians’ struggle toward modernity and Western Civilization.

The objective of European countries, G8, China, etc., is very clear: They all know very well that a religious government in Iran is the best instrument to distance Iran and Iranians from Western Civilization and from individualism, social freedom, democracy, and secularism. These countries know that only a chaotic and oppressive system in Iran continues to bring them financial benefits such as:

• Low-cost oil and gas prices (actually below actual production cost)
• Weapon sales (the result of local conflicts and wars)
• Increased business resulting from war-damaged infrastructures
• And much more


This is the sad but true reality of what is going on and what has been going on. Like they say, religion is true to the poor, false to the wise and useful to the powerful. They can rule and plunder Iran much better with Islam! Nationalism would stop the European New Colonialists in their tracks!

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We Iranians who live either forced or self-imposed lives in exile need to use the freedom that we have along with every possible legal and democratic means available to us to FIGHT BACK and not allow this anti-Iranian movement to become Iran’s next default alternative and Iran’s political scenario for the next few decades.

Every newspaper, every TV and radio station, every government official that substitutes “Moslem” for “Iranian” should be bombarded with phone calls, faxes, emails, and letters against this “Islamic identity.”


Agreed
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2003 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Iran was NOT the only contry to speak its pre-invaded language after the islamic conquest, a poor example would be the remains of another empire that has a remians, by the name of Turkey.

However I have to agree with your appeal. As free as we all want to be, Iran's biggest weakness is its faded proud heritage. If we had negotiated with the arabs instead of dismissing them as lower class beings they would have never invaded our weak armies.

Persia was once great. Its creed always will be. We think that persia is what it was 3000 years ago and the wold is as is. It no longer is so. its to think that you are great, yet not be the case that creates the void leading to your destruction as seen on countless occasions in our history.

We must face facts and live reality. Stop dreaming. We are not a great empire, we are not invincible and we definately cant do anything better than anyone else just based on our one time greatness. A struggling 3rd world country with a fighting population losing its free thinkers on a daily basis. Sad yet true.

Iranian not muslim (Agreed)
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2003 1:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Turkey may have preserved its pre-Islamic language, but does Turkey celebrate its 3000 year old new year celebration as its official new year, like Noruz/Iran?

Do Turks name their children after their ancient kings, queens and mythological figures?

Can the Turks claim a book as culturally, religiously, mytholigically and nationally signifiant as the Shahnameh?

I think not! Its not just the langauge, but everything else that Iran preserved, despite the Arab Islamic invasion and the Arab Islamic colonialism of Iran !
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2003 4:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Iran was NOT the only contry to speak its pre-invaded language after the islamic conquest, a poor example would be the remains of another empire that has a remians, by the name of Turkey.


Didn't Byzantine used to speak Latin before newly Muslimized Turks invaded it? I don't think its true to say that Turkey kept their pre-invasion language. The only difference is that they weren't invaded by Arabs. They were invaded by Turks. So their language was not lost to Arabic but to Turkic.
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Iran was NOT the only contry to speak its pre-invaded language after the islamic conquest, a poor example would be the remains of another empire that has a remians, by the name of Turkey.


Didn't Byzantine used to speak Latin before newly Muslimized Turks invaded it? I don't think its true to say that Turkey kept their pre-invasion language. The only difference is that they weren't invaded by Arabs. They were invaded by Turks. So their language was not lost to Arabic but to Turkic.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2003 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

alrighty, I sure am glad i did thorw a "poor example" in there or else id fear my life now from u damn extremists! My only point was that just because a country was invaded by arabs didnt leave them speaking arabic...and Iran wasnt the only one! Moors taking spain could just as well be another example...NOT MY POINT. Just saw a lil fault in the facts of the article thought Id help out misinforming a fellow reader. GEEZ didnt mean to yank the chain of any nationalistic posters!

What the hell? why are comparing cultures? turks versus perisans? two wannabes? and you compare thier cultural achievements? every civilization has its own unique greatness, you are not to judge a creed's past achievements by your own meandering experience and judgement. Just my two cents worth. Its just ridiculous how people start comparing stuff...its so 3rd grade mentality. Then again maybe its why we stay that way...eh go figure
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2003 11:07 pm    Post subject: nah Reply with quote

Irooni wrote:
alrighty, I sure am glad i did thorw a "poor example" in there or else id fear my life now from u damn extremists! My only point was that just because a country was invaded by arabs didnt leave them speaking arabic...and Iran wasnt the only one! Moors taking spain could just as well be another example...NOT MY POINT. Just saw a lil fault in the facts of the article thought Id help out misinforming a fellow reader. GEEZ didnt mean to yank the chain of any nationalistic posters!

What the hell? why are comparing cultures? turks versus perisans? two wannabes? and you compare thier cultural achievements? every civilization has its own unique greatness, you are not to judge a creed's past achievements by your own meandering experience and judgement. Just my two cents worth. Its just ridiculous how people start comparing stuff...its so 3rd grade mentality. Then again maybe its why we stay that way...eh go figure


Irooni - you do make a good point.. well taken -
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However I have to agree with your appeal. As free as we all want to be, Iran's biggest weakness is its faded proud heritage. If we had negotiated with the arabs instead of dismissing them as lower class beings they would have never invaded our weak armies.


Again this isn't true. I can think of many other countries that did negotiate with arabs and were still invaded and massacred. For example, Egypt was one country that negotiated with Arabs early on. They even sent Muslims many gifts including a beautiful woman that later became known as "mariam the copt" as a sex slave. They were invaded and looted anyways. There were many factors in play here.

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Persia was once great. Its creed always will be. We think that persia is what it was 3000 years ago and the wold is as is. It no longer is so. its to think that you are great, yet not be the case that creates the void leading to your destruction as seen on countless occasions in our history.

We must face facts and live reality. Stop dreaming. We are not a great empire, we are not invincible and we definately cant do anything better than anyone else just based on our one time greatness. A struggling 3rd world country with a fighting population losing its free thinkers on a daily basis. Sad yet true.


I agree. Just because we had Kourosh, Dariush, Hafez, Sa'adi, Razi, Birouni, Avicenna, Khayyam, Rumi, Sohravardi, Mirdamad, etc. does not mean that the current pepulation of Iran is anything special. After all, they saw Khomeini's picture in the moon 25 years ago. They went to the rooftops and yelled "allah o akbar". They said "rooheh mani khomeini, bot shekani khomeini". But you have to supposed are our people so stupid? Is it not being part of the Islamic Umma that makes them behave like blind sheep looking to follow the shepard blindly? Whatever identity you take on, your persona will act according to that identity. If you think and act according to the standards of the Umma, you shouldn't expect anything better than living according to the standards of the Ummah. If you want to become a first world progressive country, then stop thinking and acting like a bunch of backward irrational religious fanatics (what Iranians did 25 years ago). That is why you should "call me Iranian, not a Muslim".

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What the hell? why are comparing cultures? turks versus perisans? two wannabes? and you compare thier cultural achievements? every civilization has its own unique greatness, you are not to judge a creed's past achievements by your own meandering experience and judgement. Just my two cents worth. Its just ridiculous how people start comparing stuff...its so 3rd grade mentality. Then again maybe its why we stay that way...eh go figure


Whatever Turks have or don't have, they aren't the ones being ruled by a bunch of backward mullahs. that is a good sign for them.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2003 8:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

THE MOORS ALSO INVADED MY LAND SARDINIA..
THE SYMBOL OF SARDINIA'S FLAG REPRESENT THE "4 MOORS"
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In the eigth century Islamic Moors started a campaign against the Iberian peninsula. It wasn't intil the late fifteenth century that they were expelled. Spanish has roughly 6,000 words of Arabic origin and architecture as well. Spain had one thing the Persians did not: determined allies.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2003 5:33 pm    Post subject: Protest against the Nobel peace committee's calling Iranian Reply with quote

Source Radio Farda:
http://www.radiofarda.com/transcripts/topstory/2003/12/20031209_1530_1205_1648_EN.asp

•A demonstration and a conference to be held on December 9 and 10 in Oslo by Iranian groups advocating human rights and women's rights is a protest against the Nobel peace committee's calling Iranians and millions of other people living under Islamic government “the Islamic World,” human rights activist and member of Denmark's PEN chapter Nahid Riyazi tells Radio Farda. By the Islamic label, the committee diminishes the people's struggle for freedom, she adds. In its statement, the Nobel Peace Committee declares Islam compatible with democracy, whereas by terror and violence, the political Islam has violated the human rights of millions of men and women, she adds. (Parviz Mardani, Berlin)

•Norway TV aired a shocking documentary on the Islamic punishment of stoning in Iran. On the discussion program that followed, Norway's Christian Democrat politicians said the country's oil companies cannot enter into deals with Iran without setting preconditions, such as an end to stoning, Norway-based Rahman Saki who saw the broadcast tells Radio Farda. (Shahram Mirian)
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2003 5:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Protest against the Nobel peace committee's calling Iran Reply with quote

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•Norway TV aired a shocking documentary on the Islamic punishment of stoning in Iran. On the discussion program that followed, Norway's Christian Democrat politicians said the country's oil companies cannot enter into deals with Iran without setting preconditions, such as an end to stoning, Norway-based Rahman Saki who saw the broadcast tells Radio Farda. (Shahram Mirian)


Dear ProtestInNorway, when did this happen? Which channel aired the documentary? I lived in Norway for 8 years, and this is really good news! Hopfully Norway will soon barr any company from doing buisness with the IRI.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2003 6:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Protest against the Nobel peace committee's calling Iran Reply with quote

Saman wrote:
ProtestInNorway wrote:
•Norway TV aired a shocking documentary on the Islamic punishment of stoning in Iran. On the discussion program that followed, Norway's Christian Democrat politicians said the country's oil companies cannot enter into deals with Iran without setting preconditions, such as an end to stoning, Norway-based Rahman Saki who saw the broadcast tells Radio Farda. (Shahram Mirian)


Dear ProtestInNorway, when did this happen? Which channel aired the documentary? I lived in Norway for 8 years, and this is really good news! Hopfully Norway will soon barr any company from doing buisness with the IRI.


Saman - didy ou happen to see the documentary on channel 4 IRAN UNDERCOVER or something? --
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