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irani



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are no historical evidence that Jesus ever lived, and the history of Christianity could easily be reconstructed without basing it upon a real Jesus character. However, the strong sentiments found in the Gospels 30 years after his alleged death, and the few times he is mentioned for the first time around 10 years after his alleged death, indicate that there must have been a real Jesus. But there is still plenty of time between his death and the earliest sources for anyone to suggest that the historical Jesus could be very different from the one we hear of in the gospels and in the Koran. Considering the total lack of direct information on him in Roman and Jewish sources, it is clear that Jesus was not considered as important or dangerous in his own days.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 5:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Irini said:

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Considering the total lack of direct information on him in Roman and Jewish sources, it is clear that Jesus was not considered as important or dangerous in his own days.


There are very intelligent people who will be on both sides of a debate such as this. I believe the historical documents are quite strong especially considering Jesus was the leader of only a small band of renogades and never had political power. However, you are free to your own opinion.

In a free country people have the opportunity to think and debate on issues such as this for themselves and are accepted as full members of society no matter which way they decide. And that is my point, which I believe everyone on this pannel can agree, the value of freedom. This must include freedom of religion including respect for people of faith. People of all religions or no religion must agree to respect each other's rights to think for themselves, disagree and to hold opinions which they personally may find offensive. Everyone wants freedom for themselves, they just don't want the other group to have the same freedom. The only legitimate exception to this freedom is when people are plotting injury to other people or trying to engage in sedition against the government.
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reza



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 8:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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But there is still plenty of time between his death and the earliest sources for anyone to suggest that the historical Jesus could be very different from the one we hear of in the gospels and in the Koran.


st paul preached the message of jesus almost directly after his crucifixion. And im not saying that jesus was powerful or the messiah. But we can deduce fairly simply that a preacher named jesus lived in nazreth and called the attention of the romans whilst in jerusalem who then crucified him.
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