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Jean-Marie



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 3:56 am    Post subject: About ISLAM and IRAN Reply with quote

If Iranian men believe in Islam, that's their choice and their beliefs, if Iranian women believe in Allah, that's their choice and their strenghts.

But believing in an extrem feminism is not the solution.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 4:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No state shoul have "official religion or official sect" as is the case in Iran. Because, religion is a set of believs and politicising a religion is first of all a curse to the religion itself. The only place when poiticising a religion can be OK is when a fighting a Freedom War. Other than that, politicising religion brings curse first of all to its believers. Religions should be personal to some extant, but in some cases there can be strong affiliation between a religion and a national identity like for Jews or Greeks. But, even in these cases religion can not be left to a bunch of uneducated fanatics who do not even know the history of religions and people.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i think you just woke up and decided to throw some thing out here in this forum.

LoL

What was your point by this BS?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Probably hard for an American to see the point of others Laughing Laughing Laughing You are so used to making you own points always Laughing Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 4:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If Iranian men believe in Islam, that's their choice and their beliefs, if Iranian women believe in Allah, that's their choice and their strenghts.

But believing in an extrem feminism is not the solution.


And why exactly isn't believing in an extrem [sic] feminism also "their choice and their strenghts" [sic]. Rolling Eyes

We don't want Islam! Take your Islam and shove it up your ***. That's my "choice and strength". Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 6:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can I ask you this very philosophical question (?):

Would you resent Islam so much if you were Sunni and not Shia?

Thanks...

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And why exactly isn't believing in an extrem [sic] feminism also "their choice and their strenghts" [sic].

We don't want Islam! Take your Islam and shove it up your ***. That's my "choice and strength".


These sentences shows hoe "intellectual" the people in this forum are. Band this person called Azedeh if the ADMIN is honest with its principle of NO INSULT.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 1:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

what in the world is "extreme feminism"?
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Dīrī



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Extreme Feminism is when a woman is extremely feminin... Laughing Laughing Laughing

No - the real point was made by Azeriactivist---> If there is a rule that can ban people on the grounds that they are insulting others - then Azadeh should be banned... ADMIN should warn her first... We don't want people to swear - rember MANY people come and read these comments... And you wouldn't want 1 billion muslim enemies... Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And why exactly isn't believing in an extrem [sic] feminism also "their choice and their strenghts" [sic].

We don't want Islam! Take your Islam and shove it up your ***. That's my "choice and strength".


These sentences shows hoe "intellectual" the people in this forum are. Band this person called Azedeh if the ADMIN is honest with its principle of NO INSULT.


Azadeh, if you haven't realized by now you are dealing with two islamist fascist...the same kind of 1979...the kind that wanted women all covered up and separated by gender....they talk about equality but they believe in "islamic apartheid" when it comes to females.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

by extreme feminism, I meant extreme fachism against the Muslim world.
That's the few observations I have made in this forum with Azadeh, Liberty Now and others. Am I right?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes... You are right.. But at the same time you must admit that there are several sides to any point/case/oppinion...
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I take it you mean fascism and by that you mean state control.

for example?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What IS feminism?

I don't see any extremes as healthy... The golden road - one which combines the best with the best is the absolut ultimate way to prosperity... No mullahs, no communism, no capitalism, no hierarchy etc... just one choice to strengthen society with the best from all cultures, trends and ideas...
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 2:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No by "fascism" she means expressing negative opinions about a religion that orders hand-choppings and beheadings (like myself and others have done on the forum). You see if you don't accept Islam's **** about hand-choppings and beheading, then in her opinion you are an extremist fascist.

Her comment has nothing to do with Feminism. She doesn't know what feminism means. Just like she doesn't know the meaning of words like "extreme" and "fascist". She is a Muslim. Rolling Eyes

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Can I ask you this very philosophical question (?):

Would you resent Islam so much if you were Sunni and not Shia?

Thanks...


What's exactly the difference between Shia and Sunni? The both believe in the same book.

Quran 3:151
We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they set up with Allah that for which He has sent down no authority, and their abode is the fire, and evil is the abode of the unjust.

Quran 8:60
And prepare against them what force you can and horses tied at the frontier, to terrorize thereby the enemy of Allah

8:12
I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.


2:193, And fight them on until there is no more Fitna and all faith belongs to Allah.

2:216, Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you

3:28, Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah

4:48 “Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with Allah is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed.”

4:84, Then fight in Allah’s cause - Thou art held responsible only for thyself - and rouse the believers. It may be that Allah will restrain the fury of the Unbelievers; for Allah is the strongest in might and in punishment.

4:141, And never will Allah grant to the unbelievers a way (to triumphs) over the believers

5:33, The punishment of those who war with Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world,,/b. and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;

8:12, I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them

4:89 They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them,”


8:15-16, O ye who believe! when ye meet the Unbelievers in hostility, never turn your backs to them. If any do turn his back to them on such a day - unless it be in a stratagem of war, or to retreat to a troop (of his own)- he draws on himself the wrath of Allah, and his abode is Hell,- an evil refuge (indeed)!

8:17, It is not ye who slew them; it was Allah: when thou threwest (a handful of dust), it was not thy act, but Allah’s: in order that He might test the Believers by a gracious trial from Himself

8:60, Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly.

8:65, O Prophet! rouse the Believers to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, they will vanquish a thousand of the Unbelievers

9:5, But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem.

9:3, And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger, to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage,- that Allah and His Messenger dissolve (treaty) obligations with the Pagans. If then, ye repent, it were best for you; but if ye turn away, know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith.

9:14, Fight them, and Allah will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame, help you (to victory) over them, heal the breasts of Believers,

9:23, O ye who believe! take not for protectors your fathers and your brothers if they love kufr above Faith: if any of you do so, they do wrong.

9:28, O ye who believe! Truly the Pagans are unclean; so let them not, after this year of theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque.

9:29, Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

9:39, Unless ye go forth, (for Jihad) He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least.

9:73, O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge indeed.

9:111, Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur’an

9:123, O ye who believe! fight the unbelievers who gird around you, and let them find firmness in you: and know that Allah is with those who fear Him.

22:19-22; These two antagonists dispute with each other about their Lord: But those who deny (their Lord),- for them will be cut out a garment of Fire: over their heads will be poured out boiling water. With it will be scalded what is within their bodies, as well as (their) skins. In addition there will be maces of iron (to punish) them. Every time they wish to get away therefrom, from anguish, they will be forced back therein, and (it will be said), “Taste ye the Penalty of Burning!”

25:52, So obey not the disbelievers, but strive against them herewith with a great endeavour.

25:68 ”Those who invoke not, with Allah, any other god, nor slay such life as Allah has made sacred except for just cause, nor commit fornication; - and any that does this (not only) meets punishment. “(But) the Penalty on the Day of Judgment will be doubled to him, and he will dwell therein in ignominy,-

37:22-23, “Bring ye up”, it shall be said, “The wrong-doers and their wives, and the things they worshipped- Besides Allah, and lead them to the Way to the Fire!

47:4, Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens.

48:13 And if any believe not in Allah and His Messenger, We have prepared, for those who reject Allah, a Blazing Fire!


48:29, Muhammad is the messenger of Allah; and those who are with him are strong against Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other.

69:30-37 (The stern command will say): “Seize ye him, and bind ye him, And burn ye him in the Blazing Fire. Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits! This was he that would not believe in Allah Most High. And would not encourage the feeding of the indigent! So no friend hath he here this Day. Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds, Which none do eat but those in sin.”


2:223 Your women are a tilth for you (note: a tilth is a farming field to to cultivate produce) so go to your tilt as ye will, and send before you for your souls, and fear Allah, and know that ye will meet Him. Give glad tidings to believers,

2:228, And women shall have rights similar to the rights against them, according to what is equitable; but men have a degree above them


2:282, and get two witnesses, out of your own men, and if there are not two men, then a man and two women, such as ye choose, for witnesses, so that if one of them errs, the other can remind her.

4:3, Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice.

4:11-12, Allah (thus) directs you as regards your Children’s (Inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females:

4:24 Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess.

4:34, Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath given one more than the other, and because they spend of their property. So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and beat them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great.

23:1-7 The believers must win through, 2]Those who humble themselves in their prayers; 3] Who avoid vain talk; 4] Who are active in deeds of charity; 5] Who abstain from sex, 6] Except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess,- for (in their case) they are free from blame, :7] But those whose desires exceed those limits are transgressors;-

4:24 “And all married women (are forbidden unto you) except those (captives) whom your right hands possess.”

33:50 O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated (from Makka) with thee; and any believing woman who dedicates her soul to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to wed her;- this only for thee, and not for the Believers (at large); We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hands possess;- in order that there should be no difficulty for thee. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
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