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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 1:39 pm    Post subject: Terror in London - Tehran Sermon by Ayatollah Mohammad Amami Reply with quote


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7/8/2005 Clip No. 747

Terror in London (6) - Tehran Sermon: The US and Israel are the Father and Mother of Al-Qaeda; The Preacher Condemns London Attacks and the Crowd Cheers "Death to England"

The following are excerpts from a Friday sermon at Tehran University by Ayatollah Mohammad Amami-Kashani, which aired on Iranian TV Channel 1 on July 8, 2005

Kashani: Regarding the bombing incidents in London, the Islamic Republic and the foreign ministry have expressed their position and condemned them. The entire Iranian people condemns this. Massacring women, children, old and young is entirely inappropriate for a human being, and cannot be accepted by anyone with a conscience. Iran has expressed its people's solidarity with the survivors of these incidents in London.

You speak of terror and Al-Qaeda. Have you forgotten who the mother and father of Al-Qaeda are? America is its father, and Israel its mother. It is the illegitimate child of these powers. You yourselves have brought it about...

Crowd:Allah Akbar. Allah Akbar. Allah Akbar. Khamenei is the leader. Death to those who reject the rule of the jurisprudent. Death to America. Death to England. Death to the hypocrites (Mojahedin-e Khalq) and Saddam. Death to Israel.

Kashani: You yourselves have brought it about, and you have done so in the name of Islam. Thus, the child, whose father is the arrogance of the White House, and whose mother is the executioners of Israel, and who you have named "Islam" – is known to all. The reason he was named this way is clear, as is your true nature. You brought (Al-Qaeda) about in order to bring calamity to our lives, but, thank God, it has brought calamity to yours.


Source: http://www.memritv.org/Transcript.asp?P1=747 (read it)
Other: http://www.memritv.org/ (watch it)

Why are they chanting "death to England" while they condemn the terror act?

England and the Islamic Republic of Iran are friends ... right?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What the cleric says is complately right. I am not sure of Israel's role but US supported terrorist organizations which were fighting againist "communists". They were Freedom Fighters back then.
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Why are they chanting "death to England" while they condemn the terror act?


They are Muslims. Their brain doesn't work like other humans. They can have two completely contradictory ideas in their heads and have it make perfect sense.

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England and the Islamic Republic of Iran are friends ... right?


Maybe that's what England thinks. Islam doesn't know friends or enemies. Only Dar al-Islam and Dar al-harb.


And sometimes the ideas in their head isn't even contradictory. It's 100 percent insane (and downright evil). Like this guy:



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Saudi Deputy Minister of Religious Endowment: According to Our Definition, Any Act or Thought that Contradicts the Koran and Sunna Is Terrorism

The following are excerpts from an interview with the Saudi deputy minister of religious endowments, Abd Al-Rahman Al-Matroudi, which aired on Iqra TV on July 7, 2005

Host: Many countries insist on keeping the term "terrorism" vague and lacking exact definition. Does this not imply that they want to control this term according to their interests and goals? Anyone opposed to these goals is accused of terrorism, even if he is an innocent lamb that cannot defend itself, let alone terrorize others or hurt them. Why? Why do they insist on accusing Muslims of terrorism, while they are the leading peace supporters in the world?

Al-Matroudi: There is an American definition of "terrorism", which differs from the definition used by the U.N. There are different definitions in the world. The definition of terrorism that concerns us is that it is any act or statement that contradicts the Koran or Sunna, whether in thought or action. If it is a thought, then it is the first step toward action, and thus, it is also terrorism, since it goes against the nature with which Man was created.

If you are strong enough to defend yourself, you must do so...


Host: and impose your culture...

Al-Matroudi: Yes, and impose you culture.

Host: Great.

Al-Matroudi: And if you have no such strength, you should do whatever you can to get what you want in peaceful and diplomatic ways.



Or this guy:



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Terror in London (7) - Head of London Center for Islamic History Hani Siba'i: In Islam, There Are No Such Things as Civilians; Al-Qaeda "rubbed the noses of the world's eight most powerful countries in the mud"

The following are excerpts from an interview with the head of the Al-Maqreze Centre for Historical Studies, Hani Al-Siba'i, which aired on Al-Jazeera TV on July 8, 2005.

Al-Siba'i: I think that British Prime Minister Tony Blair made a grave error when he spoke before the investigation and claimed that the perpetrators of these acts were acting in the name of Islam. I think that he will pay the price for this grave error in the future. No possibility should be ruled out. We do not rule out the possibility that it was done by the intelligence agency of another Western country hostile to Britain. We do not rule our countries... or some Zionist Americans who wanted to overshadow the G-8 summit. But at the same time, we do not rule out the Al-Qaeda organization. It's been claimed that Al-Qaeda died in Afghanistan, and was buried in the caves there. And behold: it was resurrected after the American occupation of Iraq. Moreover, Al-Qaeda controls the war agenda in Iraq. It is the Al-Qaeda organization in the Land of the Two Rivers (Iraq), headed by Abu Mus'ab Al-Zarqawi, that imposes its policies, to the extent that the Egyptian government was forced to... It was forced to recall (its ambassador), and other countries are afraid to send ambassadors there.

Host: He was not an ambassador, but rather a representative that was murdered, and then Egypt lowered its level of representation.

Al-Siba'i: He previously worked in the so-called "Israel." What I want to ask is: can this organization do this? Is it conceivable that it did it? Yes, it is. Why? In the year... We must not forget that on April 15, 2004, Sheik Osama bin Laden released a taped message, in which he said... He gave... He reached out for reconciliation...

Host:

Just to recall, you are referring to the Madrid incidents, in which some 190 people were killed.

Al-Siba'i: After the Madrid incidents, he addressed the Western and European nations. Obviously, he didn't address the leaders, whom he does not recognize. He talked to the Western nations about reconciliation...

Host: Excuse me, he gave them three or four months. But, forgive me, targeting civilians... You, as a Muslim and as the director of a center for Islamic history... Is targeting wretched civilians considered brave or manly?

Al-Siba'i: I think... The man (bin Laden) addressed these peoples so that they would pressure their governments. He told them: We did not attack you. You have been attacking us for more than two centuries, and your campaign continues. He said to them simply: Withdraw your soldiers from the Arabian Peninsula, withdraw from Afghanistan and Palestine...

Host: Excuse me, Is Sheik Osama bin Laden a religious scholar, who issues fatwas, or is he the head of Al-Qaeda?

Al-Siba'i: First of all, he is one of this (Islamic) nation. Allah... We have no clergy, or a pope, or anything like this. Anyone can carry out his religious duty, even if he is by himself.

Host: Mr. Hani, issuing fatwas is done by religious scholars.

Al-Siba'i: He has a Shura council, he has religious scholars... He wanted to debate with other scholars, but they refused. He asked to discuss matters with them, but they refused.

Host: The question, in short, is whether the religious scholars... Sir, the religious law assembly in Mecca at the end of last month issued a fatwa forbidding the killing of civilians. Should we follow it or Osama bin Laden?

Al-Siba'i: These assemblies resemble the assemblies of the Church. These assemblies forbid young people from going to Iraq to fight the Jihad. These assemblies... The Higher Religious Authority (in Saudi Arabia) are the ones who allowed the presence of Crusader forces in the Land of the Two Holy Places (Saudi Arabia). These assemblies...

Host: Mr. Hani, make no mistake. The same assembly ruled that Jihad in Iraq is allowed against soldiers. Even Sheik Osama (sic) Al-Maqdissi, Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi's mentor... OK. Abu Hani, OK... He asked Al-Zarqawi not to kill civilians and to attack only the Americans... I mean, only soldiers...

Al-Siba'i: The term "civilians" does not exist in Islamic religious law. Dr. Karmi is sitting here, and I am sitting here, and I'm familiar with religious law. There is no such term as "civilians" in the modern Western sense. People are either of Dar Al-Harb or not.

These institutes, like the Islamic Association (of Britain), represent white-collar people, the effendis, people with "prestige." They only represent their own interests and do not mix in society. They don't know... Ask other Muslims... People see them only on their TV screens. They don't participate in the demonstrations for the poor. they are not interested in people's problems. We invite them, and they don't show up.

Host: The Muslim Association of Britain represents 400 Islamic organizations...

Al-Siba'i: These are all interest groups. With all due respect, the Muslim Brotherhood and the Sheik Moududi group do business with one another.

Host: Are you claiming they are not Muslims?

Al-Siba'i: They are behind all these movements. They promote some people nobody has heard of. Then they promote some journalists.

Host: Excuse me, who do you want to promote? Those who want the banner of "There is no god but Allah" over the Queen of England and Buckingham Palace? Those who want to establish a caliphate and turn the Queen of England into a captive? Those who say (England) is Dar Al-Harb and property there can be plundered? Are those the kind of people you want?

Al-Siba'i: These associations do not represent the Muslim public. They collaborate with the British police for certain interests. They want an "English Islam," and not the Islam that was sent to the Prophet Muhammad.

If Al-Qaeda indeed carried out this act, it is a great victory for it. It rubbed the noses of the world's eight most powerful countries in the mud. This victory is a blow to the economy...
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 4:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

But that aside, Iranian who show up for Friday's prayers are divided into two groups: brainwashed religious nuts; or those who support the regime for personal motivations (i. e. my brother works in the regime and I have to pretend to like them). They somtimes even offer meals and things to poor and homeless people to show up for these events. In either case, they say the sloagans that they are told.

Now why are they told to say such things? Well the condmentation of the attacks is just diplomatic lipservice. The usual "Islam is a religion of peace" front. The reality lies in their "death to England" sloagan. British should learn that their support of the mullahs will not make them immune to Islamic terror (even from the mullahs). Islam doesn't distinguish between civilan and non-civilian, friend or enemy. It only knows dar al-islam and dar al-harb.

At the end of the day, it's "death to dar al-harb".
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 5:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is a better explanation:


http://memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SR3605.


"Expel Extremism Today"

Under the title "Expel Extremism Today," Al-Arabiya TV Director-General Abd Al-Rahman Al-Rashed wrote: "For over 10 years now, I myself and other Arab writers have warned against the dangers of the reckless handling of the extremism that is now spreading like a plague within the British community.

"It was never understood why British authorities gave refuge to suspicious characters previously involved in terrorist activities. Why would Britain grant asylum to Arabs who have been convicted of political crimes or religious extremism, or even sentenced to death? Not only were they admitted to this country, but they were also provided with accommodation, a monthly salary, and free legal advice for those who want to prosecute the British government.

"The answer, I believe, is what... I call 'blind generosity.' This bizarre reasoning stuns individuals such as students who wish to establish careers abroad and whose [applications for British] citizenship are rejected. These people do not have criminal records like the others [to grant them entry].

"Like many other diseases, extremism is a contagious one. A small dose of carriers can spread the infection like wildfire, establishing a community full of destructive thoughts and practices such as the horrific [bombing] in London.

"The reason behind this [British] practice is the recklessness of internal British policies since the 1990s. This irresponsibility has been demonstrated by allowing extremists to enter the country – with the result being Thursday's attacks. [These attacks] were a crime that the majority of us anticipated, since leniency like this, and hatred like this, were bound to converge at some point.

"The British authority's leniency regarding fundamentalist fascism has allowed many, including Arab and Muslim intellectuals and journalists, to adopt ideologies that promote extremism and defend criminals such as bin Laden and Al-Zarqawi. The situation has escalated to the extent that Arab and Muslim intellects fear the repercussions of condemning extremists.

"The battle we face is against the ideology, as opposed to against the terrorists themselves. The terrorist groups make the most of the concept of freedom of speech, as well as of the ability to promote such ideas to gain support. Such tolerance on behalf of the British government has allowed Arab and Muslim extremists to seek refuge in Britain, away from their own countries...

"Within a decade, they have established organizations, promoted their beliefs all over the world, and denounced others as infidels in mosques, schools, and the media, and have publicly called to enjoin battle. They have spread into the city of London, reaching communities that had no previous record or practice of extremism. The results were illustrated last Thursday.

"So why has this happened?


"Until recently, London held the delusion that extremists would not target Britain, but only use it as a base, protecting their freedom as they worked against Arab and Islamic governments. For this reason, Britain was full of convicted [extremists] known for propagating their extremist ideologies.

"The time has come for British authorities to deal harshly with extremism, before complete chaos is unleashed onto British society. In the past, we talked about stopping them. Now, it is time to expel."
Columnist Hamoud Abu Taleb wrote in the Saudi daily Al-Watan: "...There is no escape from telling the British authorities that they are not completely innocent of creating the appropriate atmosphere for the bombings in London – because Britain is nearly the only country that treats terrorists and extremists with exaggerated humanity, even when their crimes are proven…

"Britain has shut its ears [to hearing] the words of people who stood out as extremists; [it has shut its eyes to seeing] that every day they take in more activists, collect large donations, and expose their goals via the media; [and it has avoided seeing how] the papers and the media defend their terrorism. So it was unavoidable that London would, one day, fall victim to this leniency – because these base wild beasts do not differentiate between those who protect them and those who persecute them."
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 8:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Again Azadeh talking with himself and nobody is listening. They do not even desreve a rebuttal. They are so insane and out of touch with realitiers and facts.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Azadeh_55 wrote:
Here is a better explanation:


http://memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SR3605.


"Expel Extremism Today"

Under the title "Expel Extremism Today," Al-Arabiya TV Director-General Abd Al-Rahman Al-Rashed wrote: "For over 10 years now, I myself and other Arab writers have warned against the dangers of the reckless handling of the extremism that is now spreading like a plague within the British community.

"It was never understood why British authorities gave refuge to suspicious characters previously involved in terrorist activities. Why would Britain grant asylum to Arabs who have been convicted of political crimes or religious extremism, or even sentenced to death? Not only were they admitted to this country, but they were also provided with accommodation, a monthly salary, and free legal advice for those who want to prosecute the British government.

"The answer, I believe, is what... I call 'blind generosity.' This bizarre reasoning stuns individuals such as students who wish to establish careers abroad and whose [applications for British] citizenship are rejected. These people do not have criminal records like the others [to grant them entry].

"Like many other diseases, extremism is a contagious one. A small dose of carriers can spread the infection like wildfire, establishing a community full of destructive thoughts and practices such as the horrific [bombing] in London.

"The reason behind this [British] practice is the recklessness of internal British policies since the 1990s. This irresponsibility has been demonstrated by allowing extremists to enter the country – with the result being Thursday's attacks. [These attacks] were a crime that the majority of us anticipated, since leniency like this, and hatred like this, were bound to converge at some point.

"The British authority's leniency regarding fundamentalist fascism has allowed many, including Arab and Muslim intellectuals and journalists, to adopt ideologies that promote extremism and defend criminals such as bin Laden and Al-Zarqawi. The situation has escalated to the extent that Arab and Muslim intellects fear the repercussions of condemning extremists.

"The battle we face is against the ideology, as opposed to against the terrorists themselves. The terrorist groups make the most of the concept of freedom of speech, as well as of the ability to promote such ideas to gain support. Such tolerance on behalf of the British government has allowed Arab and Muslim extremists to seek refuge in Britain, away from their own countries...

"Within a decade, they have established organizations, promoted their beliefs all over the world, and denounced others as infidels in mosques, schools, and the media, and have publicly called to enjoin battle. They have spread into the city of London, reaching communities that had no previous record or practice of extremism. The results were illustrated last Thursday.

"So why has this happened?


"Until recently, London held the delusion that extremists would not target Britain, but only use it as a base, protecting their freedom as they worked against Arab and Islamic governments. For this reason, Britain was full of convicted [extremists] known for propagating their extremist ideologies.

"The time has come for British authorities to deal harshly with extremism, before complete chaos is unleashed onto British society. In the past, we talked about stopping them. Now, it is time to expel."
Columnist Hamoud Abu Taleb wrote in the Saudi daily Al-Watan: "...There is no escape from telling the British authorities that they are not completely innocent of creating the appropriate atmosphere for the bombings in London – because Britain is nearly the only country that treats terrorists and extremists with exaggerated humanity, even when their crimes are proven…

"Britain has shut its ears [to hearing] the words of people who stood out as extremists; [it has shut its eyes to seeing] that every day they take in more activists, collect large donations, and expose their goals via the media; [and it has avoided seeing how] the papers and the media defend their terrorism. So it was unavoidable that London would, one day, fall victim to this leniency – because these base wild beasts do not differentiate between those who protect them and those who persecute them."


Azadeh Jaan:
I tried that link and couldn't find the original article, wanted to e-mail it to others. By the way this (san)Ane,azeriwarrier/activist....is a true khar, he doesn't know Azadeh is a female's name, refers to you as 'himself'....
I believe these two, diri & (san)ane, are both not only brain-washed islamo fascist but they probably are getting paid by regime,,,to spread their vial propaganda on islam and separatism.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Again Azadeh talking with himself and nobody is listening. They do not even desreve a rebuttal. They are so insane and out of touch with realitiers and facts.


You don't seem to have much contact with Iranians. Azadeh is a woman's name genius. It is a rather common name too.

Blank jan,

I don't know why the link doens't work. But if you go to memri's main page, it will give you both articles:

http://memri.org/index.html

Click on these three links:

Jul 12 SD# 932 - Director of London's Al-Maqreze Centre for Historical Studies Hani Sibai: There are No "Civilians" in Islamic Law;The Bombing is a Great Victory for Al-Qa'ida, Which "Rubbed the Noses of the World's 8 Most Powerful Countries in the Mud"

Jul 12 SR# 37 - Arab Media Reactions to the London Bombing – Part II: 'The Attacks Were Anticipated Due to British Leniency to Extremists Acting in Britain'- 'Expel Extremism Today'

Jul 08 SR# 36 - Arab Media Reactions to the London Bombing: "A Chapter in World War III"
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why is this forum getting filled with people who are not Iranian, know absolutely nothing about Iran, and don't even care about Iran???? What is admin doing about this?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You might want to send a pm message to Cyrus. That's exactly what I complained about to him.......and I also said if that continues I will no longer participate in this board.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Azadeh

Thank-you for posting all these articles, they are great and very much appreciated as always!

The British sponsorship of Islamic clergy and Islamic fanaticism in Iran is a matter of common knowledge, thus the term Akhunde Inglessi (English Mullah). Modern political Islam and the weaponsiation of the religion was originally sponsored by the British with Pakistan, using Islamic extremism they successfully managed to separate Pakistan from India, it was the revenge of the British empire for Ghandi.

They did the same with Khomeini, son of a British spy, in Iran. Revenge against the Shah for nationalisation of oil and ending the British Petroleum empire in Abadan where dogs and Iranians were banned from the British club!

Why everyone wants to pretend that the British support of Islamic extremism is a new or contemporary phenomenon I don't understand, they created and nurtured it throughout the last and this century. And that is why I have always called the IRI, the Islamic Republic of Great Britain!

They denied legitimate political activists from Iran political asylum, yet embraced the worst and most hardened brutal Islamic terrorist criminals! And then they wonder why they get bombed Rolling Eyes

If you play with criminals you get hurt!

The sad part is that the British public is totally ignorant of the longstanding sponosrship of Islamism and Islamic terror and fanatacism which their govenrment started and has continued to nurture.

Of course, more than any other religion in the world, Islam lends itself the best to an ideology of terror, genocide, hatred, oppression and enslavement, so all the blame can't be palced on the British. They just saw the potential and helped develop it into the filth that it is today!

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Spenta wrote:
Dear Azadeh

Thank-you for posting all these articles, they are great and very much appreciated as always!

The British sponsorship of Islamic clergy and Islamic fanaticism in Iran is a matter of common knowledge, thus the term Akhunde Inglessi (English Mullah). Modern political Islam and the weaponsiation of the religion was originally sponsored by the British with Pakistan, using Islamic extremism they successfully managed to separate Pakistan from India, it was the revenge of the British empire for Ghandi.

They did the same with Khomeini, son of a British spy, in Iran. Revenge against the Shah for nationalisation of oil and ending the British Petroleum empire in Abadan where dogs and Iranians were banned from the British club!

Why everyone wants to pretend that the British support of Islamic extremism is a new or contemporary phenomenon I don't understand, they created and nurtured it throughout the last and this century. And that is why I have always called the IRI, the Islamic Republic of Great Britain!

They denied legitimate political activists from Iran political asylum, yet embraced the worst and most hardened brutal Islamic terrorist criminals! And then they wonder why they get bombed Rolling Eyes

If you play with criminals you get hurt!

The sad part is that the British public is totally ignorant of the longstanding sponosrship of Islamism and Islamic terror and fanatacism which their govenrment started and has continued to nurture.

Of course, more than any other religion in the world, Islam lends itself the best to an ideology of terror, genocide, hatred, oppression and enslavement, so all the blame can't be palced on the British. They just saw the potential and helped develop it into the filth that it is today!Regards
Spenta


Thank you Spenta very well said..............
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Azadeh,

These are times of intolerance to be sure...

"Today there is no longer a choice between violence and nonviolence. It is either nonviolence or nonexistence. I feel that we've got to look at this total thing anew and recognize that we must live together. That the whole world now it is one--not only geographically but it has to become one in terms of brotherly concern. Whether we live in America or Asia or Africa we are all tied in a single garment of destiny and whatever effects one directly, effects one in-directly.

"I'm concerned about living with my conscience and searching for that which is right and that which is true, and I cannot live with the idea of being just a conformist following a path that everybody else follows. And this has happened to us. As I've said in one of my books, so often we live by the philosophy 'Everybody's doing it, it must be alright.' We tend to determine what is right and wrong by taking a sort of Gallup poll of the majority opinion, and I don't think this is the way to get at what is right.

"Arnold Toynbee talks about the creative minority and I think more and more we must have in our world that creative minority that will take a stand for that which conscience tells them is right, even though it brings about criticism and misunderstanding and even abuse."



Excerpted from a 1967 interview of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. by Arnold Michaelis.

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Now I may not know all there is to know about Iran, but as an American, I stand with those that are willing to stand for their own liberty.
Would you have me not stand with you, or provide perspective by posting?

Ask yourself this question before you condem all of Islam, and all Muslims....why is it that bin Ladin's call for holy war (Jihad) gone largely ignored by the vast majority of Muslims world-wide?

When I consider the difference (by definition) between a terrorist and a freedom fighter, The targeting of civilians, and the methods employed may serve.

The philosophy behind our revolution, the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and the Declaration of Independence, was born from resistance to oppression with "live free, or die." being at the core of it. As Hamid Karzai once intimated, this is the Afghan jihad, the true jihad, to be free to live in correctness with one another. That jihad lies in one's heart, the struggle to live a correct life, in the eyes of the Creator of all. The commonality of the basic truths behind all the major religions of the world, is apparent to me, who could be so arrogant to think that they were the only ones chosen by God?

Terrorists, apparently.
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In my country, thousands of my countrymen and women are murdered and tortered each year because a crazy idiology wants them to do to the "unbelievers" and the "hypocrites". An idiology that doesn't clearly define what exactly is an unbliever or a hypocrite (but this is besides the point. Why should anyone get beheaded and decapitated regardless of what they believe?) They chop off hands and feet, they stone women, they flog our youth, they pluck out healthy people's eyes on the basis of eye for and eye draconian Quranic laws, they execute, maim and torture. And they have the verses of the Quran to support their claim that they are just practicing their religion. Wouldn't you want such a religion gone from your country? A religion that chops off hands and feet, flogs women, plucks out eyes, executes, and oppresses. Now I'm not saying let's start doing to them what they preach to be done to others with the beheadings and decpiatations and floggings, etc. All I'm saying is recognize it for what it is and stop sugarcoating it. You are not helping anyone with your appeasements.

You could start learning a thing or two about Islam before you make generalized and downright wrong comments.

http://activistchat.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=6360&start=30

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Dear Azadeh,

These are times of intolerance to be sure...

"Today there is no longer a choice between violence and nonviolence. It is either nonviolence or nonexistence. I feel that we've got to look at this total thing anew and recognize that we must live together.


You can "live together" with people who want to behead you and cut off your hands and feet if you want. I want to get them and their sick ideology away from me as far as possible.

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That the whole world now it is one--not only geographically but it has to become one in terms of brotherly concern. Whether we live in America or Asia or Africa we are all tied in a single garment of destiny and whatever effects one directly, effects one in-directly.


That is the part that scares me.

Quote:
"I'm concerned about living with my conscience and searching for that which is right and that which is true, and I cannot live with the idea of being just a conformist following a path that everybody else follows. And this has happened to us. As I've said in one of my books, so often we live by the philosophy 'Everybody's doing it, it must be alright.' We tend to determine what is right and wrong by taking a sort of Gallup poll of the majority opinion, and I don't think this is the way to get at what is right.

"Arnold Toynbee talks about the creative minority and I think more and more we must have in our world that creative minority that will take a stand for that which conscience tells them is right, even though it brings about criticism and misunderstanding and even abuse."

Excerpted from a 1967 interview of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. by Arnold Michaelis.


Martin Luther King is a great thinker but he wasn't talking about we are talking about when he gave this interview. Wanting to get away from people who want to chop off your body parts is not "conforming".

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Now I may not know all there is to know about Iran, but as an American, I stand with those that are willing to stand for their own liberty.
Would you have me not stand with you, or provide perspective by posting?


I hope you don't take this the wrong way and I'm not trying to be insulting but the way you are talking makes me think you don't know anything about Iran. No one said you should stop post. I am just saying your ideas of appeasing and sugar-coating Islam are not helping anyone. What would have happened if people had decided to "live together" with the Nazis? Half of the world would have perished and the other half would be speaking German! Islam is much more dangerous than White Supremacy. The Nazi movement had just started and did not have a stronghold in that day's society. It was much easier to crush it. Islam is a whole different ball and game.

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Ask yourself this question before you condem all of Islam, and all Muslims....why is it that bin Ladin's call for holy war (Jihad) gone largely ignored by the vast majority of Muslims world-wide?


Because the overwhelming majority of Muslims are just like Iranians. They didn't choose Islam out of their own free will. In fact most of them would be killed if they leave Islam on the charge of apostacy. The only reason they are called "Muslims" is becasue centuries ago muslims invaded their country and forced their ancestors to convert to Islam and today they are identified as Muslims. Spanish people would be considered a part of the Muslim world if they hadn't been successful in getting rid of Islam. In fact all of Europe would have been considered part of the Muslim world if the Muslim invaders hadn't been stopped at the gates of Vienna in 1683. This is why terrorism and radicalization is more prevalant amongst converts to Islam rather than born Muslim (precentage-wise). Converts make up a very small precentage of Muslims but they are overrepresented amongst violent Muslims hell-bent on destorying humanity. Just take the latest case of Islamic terrorism. One out of four bus-bombers was was a convert. But converts don't make up 200 million of the 1 billion Muslims world-wide. The shoe-bomber, the D. C. sniper, Jose Padilla are just some examples.

You shouldn't be happy that more Muslims are not answering Bin Laden's call. You should be scared to death that even one Muslim does!!! Did you miss the havoc that 4 brainwashed Muslims caused in London just this past few weeks?

Now I took the following verses from the Muslim Student's Association of the University of Southern California. The site has a very useful index to the Quran. I strongly suggest you go to this website and read all of the Quran before you make general comments about Islam and Muslims. Here is just a sample:

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3:85, If anyone desires a religion other than Islam, never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost.

3:151
We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they set up with Allah that for which He has sent down no authority, and their abode is the fire, and evil is the abode of the unjust.

8:60
And prepare against them what force you can and horses tied at the frontier, to terrorize thereby the enemy of Allah

8:12
I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.



2:193, And fight them on until there is no more Fitna and all faith belongs to Allah.

2:216, Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you

3:28, Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah

4:48 “Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with Allah is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed.”

4:84, Then fight in Allah’s cause - Thou art held responsible only for thyself - and rouse the believers. It may be that Allah will restrain the fury of the Unbelievers; for Allah is the strongest in might and in punishment.

4:141, And never will Allah grant to the unbelievers a way (to triumphs) over the believers

5:33, The punishment of those who war with Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world,,/b. and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;

8:12, I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them

4:89 They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them,”


8:15-16, O ye who believe! when ye meet the Unbelievers in hostility, never turn your backs to them. If any do turn his back to them on such a day - unless it be in a stratagem of war, or to retreat to a troop (of his own)- he draws on himself the wrath of Allah, and his abode is Hell,- an evil refuge (indeed)!

8:17, It is not ye who slew them; it was Allah: when thou threwest (a handful of dust), it was not thy act, but Allah’s: in order that He might test the Believers by a gracious trial from Himself

8:60, Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly.

8:65, O Prophet! rouse the Believers to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, they will vanquish a thousand of the Unbelievers

9:5, But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem.

9:3, And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger, to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage,- that Allah and His Messenger dissolve (treaty) obligations with the Pagans. If then, ye repent, it were best for you; but if ye turn away, know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith.

9:14, Fight them, and Allah will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame, help you (to victory) over them, heal the breasts of Believers,

9:23, O ye who believe! take not for protectors your fathers and your brothers if they love kufr above Faith: if any of you do so, they do wrong.

9:28, O ye who believe! Truly the Pagans are unclean; so let them not, after this year of theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque.

9:29, Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

9:39, Unless ye go forth, (for Jihad) He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least.

9:73, O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge indeed.

9:111, Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur’an

9:123, O ye who believe! fight the unbelievers who gird around you, and let them find firmness in you: and know that Allah is with those who fear Him.

22:19-22; These two antagonists dispute with each other about their Lord: But those who deny (their Lord),- for them will be cut out a garment of Fire: over their heads will be poured out boiling water. With it will be scalded what is within their bodies, as well as (their) skins. In addition there will be maces of iron (to punish) them. Every time they wish to get away therefrom, from anguish, they will be forced back therein, and (it will be said), “Taste ye the Penalty of Burning!”

25:52, So obey not the disbelievers, but strive against them herewith with a great endeavour.

25:68 ”Those who invoke not, with Allah, any other god, nor slay such life as Allah has made sacred except for just cause, nor commit fornication; - and any that does this (not only) meets punishment. “(But) the Penalty on the Day of Judgment will be doubled to him, and he will dwell therein in ignominy,-

37:22-23, “Bring ye up”, it shall be said, “The wrong-doers and their wives, and the things they worshipped- Besides Allah, and lead them to the Way to the Fire!

47:4, Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens.

48:13 And if any believe not in Allah and His Messenger, We have prepared, for those who reject Allah, a Blazing Fire!


48:29, Muhammad is the messenger of Allah; and those who are with him are strong against Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other.

69:30-37 (The stern command will say): “Seize ye him, and bind ye him, And burn ye him in the Blazing Fire. Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits! This was he that would not believe in Allah Most High. And would not encourage the feeding of the indigent! So no friend hath he here this Day. Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds, Which none do eat but those in sin.”


2:223 Your women are a tilth for you (note: a tilth is a farming field to to cultivate produce) so go to your tilt as ye will, and send before you for your souls, and fear Allah, and know that ye will meet Him. Give glad tidings to believers,

2:228, And women shall have rights similar to the rights against them, according to what is equitable; but men have a degree above them


2:282, and get two witnesses, out of your own men, and if there are not two men, then a man and two women, such as ye choose, for witnesses, so that if one of them errs, the other can remind her.

4:3, Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice.

4:11-12, Allah (thus) directs you as regards your Children’s (Inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females:

4:24 Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess.

4:34, Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath given one more than the other, and because they spend of their property. So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and beat them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great.

23:1-7 The believers must win through, 2]Those who humble themselves in their prayers; 3] Who avoid vain talk; 4] Who are active in deeds of charity; 5] Who abstain from sex, 6] Except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess,- for (in their case) they are free from blame, :7] But those whose desires exceed those limits are transgressors;-

4:24 “And all married women (are forbidden unto you) except those (captives) whom your right hands possess.”

33:50 O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated (from Makka) with thee; and any believing woman who dedicates her soul to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to wed her;- this only for thee, and not for the Believers (at large); We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hands possess;- in order that there should be no difficulty for thee. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

5.38
As to the thief, Male or female, cut off his or her hands: a punishment by way of example, from Allah, for their crime: and Allah is Exalted in power.


Gee, I wonder where Islamists get the idea to chop off body parts and terrorize the unbelievers.

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Now I may not know all there is to know about Iran, but as an American, I stand with those that are willing to stand for their own liberty.
Would you have me not stand with you, or provide perspective by posting?


You can "stand" with us. But please, "stand" a bit more informed. Wink
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"You can "stand" with us. But please, "stand" a bit more informed."

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(chuckle) I happen to be just a bit more informed than you think.

Now, the fact that a billion Muslims across the world worship in peace and aren't chopping off body parts (or heads) should tell you something.
But there are those radical fundementalists that have hijacked Islam, control populations, nations, and do indeed use sharia law to chop off body parts...creating a mindset (like your's) that condems all Islam.

Bhuddism, was hijacked by the Japanese "Shogun" military mentality, and Pearl Harbor was the end result.

Been a student of Rinzai Bhuddism since 1986, and it gives me a bit of an objective view of the intenal struggle within Islam today.

Now as to what I know about Iran, the opposition movement, the nuclear issues, and the Iranian sourced international solutions that must be found before it's too late, this following letter should give you a wake up call if you start thinking about it's content objectively.


The "Student Movement Coordination Committee for Democracy
in Iran" (SMCCDI)
_______________________


January 27, 2005

The Honorable George W. Bush
President of the United States of America
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington DC - 20500

Via Federal Express

C/c: Fax (202) 456-2461
e-mail: president@whitehouse.gov
vice.president@whitehouse.gov


Dear Mr. President,

On behalf of the Student Movement Coordination
Committee for Democracy in Iran (SMCCDI), and the good
people of our nation who have striven so long for freedom,
we wish to extend our most sincere and humble thanks and
gratitude for the words you spoke in celebration and
support of freedom for all people. Words ringing out
clearly as the liberty bell itself, when as a witness
described, "It rang as if it meant something.".


Mr. President, be assured that the reverberations of
the ringing clarity of your words have been heard in our
country, and indeed they mean something.
Something extraordinary, for there is again hope in the
eyes of our people that they may shrug off the oppressors
and theocratic chains which have bound the people for so
long. Chains which have silenced the voice of my people in
utterance, and stilled them with overwhelming force. Chains
denying the Iranian people a better future for our
children, and our children's children for over a generation
in this process.


Mr. President, SMCCDI's constant public support for both
yourself, your correct vision, and your policies as
reflected in our last letter of Feb.16, 2004 has been
consistently well founded, just as millions of Iranians
were correct in supporting you and placing their hopes in
your re-election. Our resources and weight of public
support were lent as well to help you defeat your
challenger who, backed by some very controversial
fundraisers of Iranian origin in the process, was pushing
for official ties with the Islamic Republic of Iran. This
was of great concern to our people, both here in the US and
in Iran. The overwhelming majority of Iranians in the US
supported you in this re-election, and have been rewarded
by your words of support for doing so.


Mr. President, Our opposition movement (SMCCDI) is
bound by a charter formed on principals such as; Human
rights, Democracy, separation of church and states, and
free markets. We believe these principals represent the
most fair and efficient means for humanity to realize its
potential. Ultimately, no repressive, intolerant regime can
withstand the spread of these ideals.

The Islamic Republic regime currently in power in Iran or
any Islamic variances that may exist there in the future
are no exception. By staying true to these values our
triumph is absolutely, positively, and undeniably
inevitable.


Mr. President, We the people of the Iranian opposition
groups both within Iran and spread among many free nations,
including the future leaders you spoke of contained within,
can serve not only as a force for freedom and change, but
as a bridge between our two peoples. To serve in the
process of creating a new political structure for the
Iranian people, and a new beginning for Iran and America, a
beginning founded on values, mutual trust, respect,
long-term interests and friendship.


Mr. President, We take the truth in your words to be
self-evident, and those words honor the ideals of your
great civil rights leader, Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
expressed in the following: "Today there is no longer a
choice between violence and non-violence. It is either
non-violence or non-existence. I feel that we've got to
look at this total thing anew and recognize that we must
live together. That the whole world now it is one--not only
geographically but it has to become one in terms of
brotherly concern. Whether we live in America or Asia or
Africa we are all tied in a single garment of destiny and
whatever effects one directly, effects one in-directly."


Mr. President, we the people of Iran, are faced not only
with the chains of political and religious oppression,
poverty, despair, drug abuse, and lack of civil liberties.

We of the opposition should have been able to jointly
prepare a correct and specific program during these last
years. We need now to seize these current internal and
external opportunities that exist, to free our country and
respond to our people's legitimate aspirations, and to the
world's concerns.
And through this, we hope to create a coordinated effort to
obtained the necessary moral and financial support that
will lead to the downfall of the Islamist Republic regime.

Inherently, we seek to bring our nation full circle with
the best parts of our cultural heritage, and the values and
freedoms in which Persia was founded upon. These same
principals form the basis of commonality between our two
cultures today. However, those that have usurped and
distorted our traditions must be removed from power and
denied influence in any new political structure that may
rise from the ashes of our despair, as the fires of freedom
light the darkest corners of our nation, and create the
light of hope in the eyes of the Iranian people.

Mr. President, The "sham" reforms brought to us over the
years by questionable individuals who are hoping only to
save part of their backwarded ideology have proven
themselves unworthy of the cultural traditions and precepts
that Cyrus the Great founded Persia upon over 2500 years
ago. Those ancient precepts regarding freedom of worship,
individual right to own property, freedom from slavery,
representative government in a democratic
"federalist" government that respected the states rights to
determine local laws so long as they were consistent with
the inherent rights of the people, respecting territorial
integrity in the process, have proven themselves over time
and among many cultures.

These same sham reformers who have continued to allow the
stoning of women, continued under the laws of the Islamic
Republic regime to regard our women as worth exactly half
that of a man in their courts, continued to deny our women
their god given rights, disenfranchising half the
population in the process in all aspects of their civil
liberties. Nor can they be allowed to influence the future
we seek. Those that have been party to the denial of human
rights can not be tolerated as being any part or party to
our political future. Nor partake (i.e. Nazi party-post WW2
not allowed), in any part of any new secular government
chosen by the people, of the people, and for the people to
initiate a US/UN monitored direct constitutional referendum
mandated and ratified through the process of forming a new
political structure and the rule of law which it must
ascribe to.


Sir, It is the women, suffering under gender apartheid
conditions, who represent a large part of the opposition,
and will make a major contribution through their degree of
knowledge, and political and civil maturity to the
democratic and peaceful revolution we seek to manifest, as
well as to a future democratic Iran. We cannot carry such
baggage or the individuals who continue to deny women their
place in society in this process of regaining our freedom
and their equality in the process.


Mr. President, We in the opposition movement see the
strong two-faced diplomacy the Islamic Republic regime is
engaged in, that has not only caused nations to appease the
evil regime with offers of economic incentive, but that has
caused others to support their blind ambitions.

We see the effects of this diplomacy on some members of
Congress, government and international think-tanks, the UN
and the IAEA. We see the confusion in policy that has been
proposed by former members of various governments, and we
strongly urge you to address their perceptions in this most
grave and dangerous illusion of "engagement" that they have
been following, as soon as possible. For them to continue
to do so would amount to purchasing those chains that hold
us in bondage.

We believe it would be criminally negligent for any nation
to support the continuance and aspirations of the Islamic
Republic regime one day longer.

In the founding of a new political structure in a free,
secular, and democratic Iran, through our people's voice,
having international support for our cause, only then will
the international community rest assured that the threat
the Islamic Republic regime poses to all of us, is gone for
once and for all. The state of the internal parameters
existing today inside Iran, are such that they are ripe for
democratic revolution.


Mr. President, We believe the minor problems resulting
in splits among opposition groups can be resolved by your
eloquent inaugural speech and your continued moral and
logistical support. Now is the time for us to come together
and face the dangers.

Not the least of which is the danger that the opposition
movement itself faces from regime elements located all over
the world. In much the same way Saddam targeted his
opposition, we face those same threats, both physically and
politically at home and abroad by the following methodology
of the Islamic Republic regime:
Distract, Deceive, Discredit, Discourage, and Dismember the
opposition, wherever it may be found. How these methods
manifest itself in action, is varied, effective, and
coordinated by the theocratic regime through it's agents,
and proxy. Including targeted assassinations on our future
leaders.

These methods of threat and intimidation must be addressed
if your words and bond of moral and financial support are
to become manifest by our action in a positive and
effective manner to bring a quicker end to this evil
regime.


Sir, We face a common threat, and I stress that in no
way do we seek any form of military intervention to obtain
the freedom we aspire to achieve.

In our method of civil disobedience, we require the firm
moral support in action by the international community, and
the financial backing to follow through of our own accord,
to help millions of Iranian workers and citizens take their
nation back, through peaceful protest and strike.

The solutions we may find together in dialogue between our
two peoples and within the opposition groups resulting in
the coordination of our efforts and actions in the face of
a common enemy, hinge on a unified moral stance within the
community of nations to halt any and all support for the
Islamic Republic regime, it's terrorist allies, and its
economic and political base.


Mr. President, Never before has a foreign leader taken
such a noble and realistic position in support of the
Iranian people and for people everywhere who have suffered
for so long in despair and isolation.

We offer to you these prayers of suggestion in the hope
they may be considered by your Administration, Congress,
the American people, America's Allies and friends, the UN,
and people of all nations.

These suggestions are based on two tracks. The isolation of
the Islamic Republic regime, and the essential moral and
financial support needed by legitimate non-violent
opposition groups to move on the opportunity that now
exits. Together, in a coordinated way, we will achieve
success. God willing.

1. Implementation of full international economic and
military sanctions on the Islamic Republic regime via UN
security council resolution based on human rights, support
for terrorism, and this to be tabled with or without IAEA
board recommendation on the nuclear threat the theocracy
poses. These two issues alone should be viewed as
circumstance the world cannot turn it's back upon, at risk
of civilization itself. Such measures should include
coordination with oil producing nations to ensure stable
world supply while sanction persists, as well as the
halting of any and all arms transfers to the Islamic
Republic regime.

Note: We believe it is unwise to continue nuclear power
discussions until such time as secular government ratified
by the people in Iran comes to power. And rest assured Mr.
President, any new government, abiding by the rule of law,
can and will work with the IAEA in full cooperation to
implement the safeguards and protocols, to address all
aspects and concerns regarding the peaceful use of atomic
power, and to dismantle any and all existing programs that
may violate them.

2. Full diplomatic sanction and closing of Iranian
embassies world-wide, removal and deportation of regime
representatives, their agents and spies from all nations.
Diplomatic sanction by the UN, and removal of
representation from this international forum till such time
as a legitimate interim government can be established in
Iran. Iran is party to the 1948 UN charter, yet not having
been a signatory the Islamic Republic regime is abysmally
derelict in it's adherence to the provisions contained
within it.

Note: We ask that concerns regarding lack of consular
functions as a result of this action be cooperatively
addressed, so as to continue to allow emergency visas to be
issued. (i.e. family emergencies, etc.) It may be possible
to retain the minimum consular functions, under tight
supervision, but they are well known in their recruiting
of, and issuing visa to potential martyrs and terrorists.
As well, We feel it is unwise to allow the Islamic Republic
regime to maintain a UN staff of aprox. 400 "diplomats",
who consistently violate the 12 mile limit, engage in
activities not associated with diplomatic function, and
pose a threat to US interests and Iranian opposition groups
located in the US.

3. Freezing of any and all financial assets of the
Islamic Republic regime, their current and former
leadership, and corporate interests world-wide, till such
time as a new interim government can be established. As
well as allocation of portions of these assets now to
legitimate non-violent opposition groups inside and outside
Iran, to realize the goals, and to provide the tangible
support needed as civil disobedience becomes manifest in
action. Only in this way can this action be self sustaining
till it succeeds.

4. Repeated statements by world leaders publicly
calling for the leadership of the Islamic Republic regime
to step down peacefully, and to relinquish the government
to the hands and will of the Iranian people.

5. The coordinated post-regime rebuilding of vital
social institutions and infrastructure of democracy should
be implemented now. The training of judges, civil servants,
police, etc. The Iranian exile community can provide the
talent, initially and there are many more inside Iran
supporting the opposition who will answer the call to
service as the situation permits. This will speed up the
post-regime process, and greatly enhance stability in the
interim government.

In addition, while SMCCDI does not speak for other groups
in the opposition, we believe it is vital for our efforts
to become coordinated in the formation of a working group
among leaders of opposition groups, in conjunction with
free nation's representatives to facilitate and coordinate
all of the above measures.
To facilitate this, we would humbly request that you grant
audience to the opposition's young leaders, be they
Monarchist, Republican, Democrat, moderate, left, or right
as may be represented by their group's opinions, allowing
them to express their thanks and support for the greater
Middle East project, in a roundtable "Forum for the Future"
of Iran.


Mr. President, The proposed sanctions to be implemented
will represent a hardship for our people residing in Iran,
and we will most certainly face violent opposition toward
our civil disobedience actions. But the hope that will
sustain the millions of workers and government employees
that will rise and shut down the functioning of the Islamic
Republic regime while the sanctions persist, will cause
their will to succeed to hold firm. It is our hope that the
resolve and support of the international community will
stand firm as well.

We believe these measures are warranted under current
international law, and various resolutions in the UN
regarding human rights, and state sponsors of terrorism.


Mr. President, God willing with your help and through
our own efforts, along with those supporting our efforts
via moral and logistical support, we will light a fire as
well, and sustain that fire in the minds of all nations.

Your words have warmed the hearts of the Iranian people,
just as they burn those who fight our progress. And one
day, this untamed fire of freedom will reach the darkest
corners of our nation. That day is fast upon us, and we ask
that all free nations move as suggested without delay,
"seized of the matter", in order to aid us in this noble
endeavor.


Sincerely Yours,


On behalf of SMCCI,

Aryo B . Pirouznia (Movement's Coordinator)




SMCCDI
5015 Addison Circle #244 Addison Texas 75001 (USA)
www.daneshjoo.org ; www.iranstudents.org
Tel: +1 (972) 504-6864 ; Fax: +1 (972) 491-9866
E-Mail: smccdi@daneshjoo.org

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