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Two years on, Iran is the only clear winner of war on Saddam

 
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 1:24 pm    Post subject: Two years on, Iran is the only clear winner of war on Saddam Reply with quote

This article may be somewhat dated considering the latest developments (IAEA referral), but it may also prove interesting when attempting to explore IRI's possible retaliatory avenues:

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Two years on, Iran is the only clear winner of war on Saddam
By Richard Beeston

Iraq’s old enemy has not been slow to capitalise on continuing confusion across the border

THROUGH a combination of arms, money and political influence, Iran has established itself as one of the most powerful forces in postwar Iraq, where its Shia allies dominate local governments, the security services and parts of the economy.

More than two years after the US-led invasion of its neighbour, Iran is fast emerging as the only clear beneficiary of the war that overthrew its enemy, Saddam Hussein, and allowed its allies to rise to power.

After a series of attacks against British troops this summer, culminating in this week’s stand-off in Basra, there are fears that Iran is beginning to exert its new-found authority.

Iraqi and British officials interviewed this week said Iran’s growing influence is being felt from Basra in the south to Baghdad in the north, where Iranians are blamed for stoking sectarian tension, undermining the coalition and trying to create a breakaway Islamic state in southern Iraq.

Responding to the clashes in Basra this week, Donald Rumsfeld, the US Defence Secretary, accused Tehran of being “interested”, “involved” and “not helpful”.

Tougher language is being heard in the Arab world, where Iran has been a foe from the time of the Persians. Prince Saud al-Faisal, the Saudi Foreign Minister, said: “We fought a war together to keep Iran out of Iraq after Iraq was driven out of Kuwait. Now we are handing the whole country over to Iran without reason.”

Iran claims that it is being blamed for America’s failures in Iraq and says that it is behaving as a responsible neighbour should. But an investigation by The Times suggests otherwise.

Last month, for instance, 36 Sunni Muslim men were kidnapped from Baghdad, murdered, and their bodies dumped near the Iranian border. Sunni leaders in Iraq blamed Iran and its Iraqi allies.

The incident occurred not far from where Iraqi border guards were involved in an exchange of fire in July with gunmen who had crossed from Iran. The guards found a cache of explosives, timers and detonators.

The discovery appeared to confirm suspicions that Iran, or at least elements in the regime, are encouraging attacks against American and British forces. Six British troops and two British security guards have been killed in the past two months in bombings blamed on Iraqi Shias equipped with sophisticated explosives supplied by Iran’s Revolutionary Guards.

In the British area of operations in southern Iraq there are at least a dozen active Islamic groups linked to Tehran. They are blamed for orchestrating a campaign of terror that includes attacks on the British, imposing Islamic laws by force and intimidating and killing opponents such as journalists and former members of the regime.

The most recent group targeted were former Iraqi pilots who flew missions against Iran in the Iran-Iraq war. A resident of Basra said: “Once these people were heroes for us. Who else would want them dead?” Iraqis claim that it is now impossible to get a government job without the sponsorship of one of these groups, dominated by Iraqis who spent years in exile in Iran.

Locals also complain that Iranian goods are flooding local markets and that in many places Farsi has become a second language.

Those complaints are also directed against members of the Shia-dominated Government of Iraq, including Ibrahim al-Jaafari, the Prime Minister, and Abdel Aziz al-Hakim, head of the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq, which is Iraq’s largest Shia party. Both lived for several years in Tehran during the Saddam era and maintain close contacts there.

Under the provisions of Iraq’s federal constitution, which will go before a referendum on October 15, provinces will be allowed to create regional authorities. That has given rise to fears that the Shias in the south, with the support of Iran, will seek to create a mini Shia Islamic state, as Mr al-Hakim has already stated he wants.

Much of what happens could depend on events in Tehran, where Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the President, is hardening Iran’s policy towards the West.

Mr Ahmadinejad, a former special forces commando who served during the Iran-Iraq war, gave notice at a military parade commemorating the war yesterday that Iran would show no mercy towards its enemies.

“If some want to test what they have tested before, the flame of the Iranian nation will be very destructive and fiery,” he said. “Relying on our armed forces, we will make the aggressor regret its actions.”

CROSS-BORDER INFLUENCE

Badr Brigades

A Shia militia force of 12,000 trained by Iran’s Revolutionary Guards and blamed for a spate of recent killings of Sunni Muslims. Thought to control several cities in southern Iraq


Islamic Dawaa Party

Shia party that has strong links to Iran. Its leader, Ibrahim al-Jaafari, the present Prime Minister, has vowed to improve ties between the two neighbours


Mahdi Army

Received arms and volunteers from Iran during its battle against US and British troops last year. Ahmed al-Fartusi, its commander in Basra, was arrested by British forces last weekend


Mujahidin for Islamic Revolution in Iraq

Tehran-backed militia blamed for the murder of six British Royal Military Police soldiers in Majar el-Kabir in 2003


Thar Allah (Vengeance of God)

Iranian-backed terror group blamed for killing former members of the ruling Baath party and enforcing strict Islamic law


Jamaat al-Fudalah (Group of the Virtuous)

Paramilitary group that imposes Islamic rules on Shia areas; attacks shops selling alcohol and music


Al-Fadilah (Morality)

Secret political movement financed by Iran. Thought to have many members among provincial officials


Al-Quawaid al-Islamiya (Islamic Bases)

Iranian-backed Islamic movement that uses force to impose Islamic law
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Sudi, very interesting article.

Since this whole thing is still in process, and undecided in terms of outcome....I'm not ready to declare the IRI a winner....in fact, having become more and more exposed in its intent....it's just a matter of time till the IRI reaps what it has sown.

IRI 's doing a real good job of pissing folks off....and that's going to be their undoing.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oppenheimer wrote:
... Since this whole thing is still in process, and undecided in terms of outcome....I'm not ready to declare the IRI a winner....in fact, having become more and more exposed in its intent....it's just a matter of time till the IRI reaps what it has sown.


I agree. Situation appears volatile and hard to predict (at least for me), but I also don't think IRI will emerge as the winner ... I just hope the Iranian people are not the tragic losers!
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One could safely say that the Iranian people have been subjected to the IRI's policies in a negative way for some time.

When it comes down to disputes between governments, a people with no voice in the matter is always going to be caught in the middle.

The resolution to this of course is for the Iranian people to get rid of what ails them, including the feeling of pwerlessness to determine their future.

the prospects in this are somewhat bleak...civil war as a result of bloody crackdown on dissent is a distinct posibility.

Then there's the distinct probability that the dillema and threat that the IRI poses to other nations, by its action and intent may be deemed actionable through milatary intervention by other nations.

While every effort is currently being made to bring the regime into line with civilized behavior, and compliance with international norm, and commitments, there is no sign that the IRI will take the necessary steps to prevent further confrontation, either by greater compassion toward its own people, or by living up to international standards and the rule of law in international fora.

There really are no good options, even if the international community places its full support towards the Iranian people's aspirations for liberty, via UN resolution, financial assistance and other non-violent measures.

In all this, the question of Iranian national pride in reaction to external means to force regime change is a matter for reflection by Iranians themselves....How can one have pride in Iran at this point in time, given the nature of the regime that governs it?

Would the inevitable needed outside help be a point of support among the people given to the IRI, because external regime change is not something one may take pride in, having not been able to suceed on their own?

Probably....but what would restore pride in the Iran nation but a people who have self determination of their future? At present, there is nothing to take pride in...except cultural heritage....but the past will not feed the starving, house the homeless, grant liberty, or provide security.

In the Iran/Iraq war....Iranians came in human waves...en mass, dying by the thousands....where then is that courage today to stand up for their liberty in the face of a regime that will inevitably mow down the opposition in a similar manner, whether the opposition comes in a human wave, or waits to be arrested at home?

Remember, after thirty years of Saddam's repression, there was no internal opposition....they were all in mass graves....Iran is going on twenty seven years now....time is short.

Does the international community have a moral responsibility to protect? It has declared that it does in the UN at this recent summit.

Thus the average Iranian must reflect on the circumstance at present, and determine whether external intervention is acceptable, as the issue is a grave one indeed.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 2:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On a somewhat related/tangent subject ... I haven't been able to confirm this, but what I'm hearing from various sources (mostly blogs and opinion pieces) is that, eventhough it's proven disasterous internationally, Ahmadinejad's "nuclear stance" is gaining more and more popularity within Iran. As I understand, the new government is successfully pushing the nuclear issue as a matter of "national pride." Ahmadinejad and his thugs have even dared compare the current standoff to Mossadegh and Iran's plight in nationalizing the oil! Interestingly enough, up until now, IRI considered Mossadegh a foe!!

Hopefully, I'm wrong and my impression has been incorrect. However, if what I hear is correct, it seems the duty of opposition outside and inside Iran to convey to all Iranians that Ahmadinejad's motives are all self-serving and he is simply attempting to provoke nationalism in order to buy more time for IRI. Ahmadinejad seems to believe that national support will slowly yield to international softening and ultimately support.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Sudi,

I guess I just have to have faith in the intelligence of the average Iranian citizen, that they are aware enough not to buy into the line of crap the IRI dishes out in their name...as if there was some "citizen mandate" involved.

Thing about the absence of a democratic system is that the people have no voice in the matter regarding nuclear issues....period.

It is not possible to take an accurate poll of Iranian public opinion...or referendum on the matter of a nuclear power program.

Nor is it clear that the majority of Iranians would even want nuclear power in such an earthquake prone region...not to mention the environmental and inherent health risks posed by such facilities.

The other thing is what constitutes "inherent rights" ? Certainly the IRI has failed in its obligations under the NPT, and failure to disclose....but it goes further than that...in the fact that the IRI's support for terrorism nullifies any and all right to persue any nuclear technology whatsoever, as the risk of such fissile material getting into terrorist hands is far to great to honor any right to such technology it might otherwise have.

This is not a question of national pride , for there can be no pride taken in such circumstance. Therefore it cannot be said that the west simply wants to keep Iran down, and backward technologicly. Nor can the IRI state with any mandate by the people that it should persue nuclear power.

"national pride" is nothing more than a figment of the IRI's imagination, trying to avoid the reality that it has niether the respect of the people, or their support in activities that through weapons programs, simply put the population at risk, as well as the region's peace and security beyond anything acceptable to the international community.
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