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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 1:35 pm    Post subject: Re: THE IRANIAN SOLOUTION FOR REGIME CHANGE IN IRAN Reply with quote

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OPEN LETEER By Yari Group of Los Angeles

I cant help asking these questions.

Who is Yari group? What is their back ground? What ahe they done in the past? Iam not asking thse question to put these people down, not at all! Everyone who is fighting against the regime have my support. However I would like to know who these poeple are since I have never heard of them before!


Good questions, I don't know either. I will ask and find out soon.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"I doubt that you dont believe that UK is still unaware of IR intentions."


(chuckle) I doubt you don't believe what you think I believe....believe it or not....Lool!



"I am not very found of conspiracy teories butt the british are not playing fair, not even with US!"

With respect to the Iranian munitions smuggled into Iraq...US not only was aware of them, but went public with that a few months ago in a pentagon briefing.

So it's not like the Brits are keeping secrets from us...they tend to keep their cards close to their chest with their own public from what I've seen....now that the cat's out of the bag as it were....the British public is giving them hell.

War has been declared for less...and maybe that's a factor in their decision to keep a lid on it as long as possible...

as for the body armor, the Brits have been the main part of the international force in Afghanistan with the mission of stopping the flow of poppy produduction, and the flow of drugs out of Afghanistan.

Whether the IRI uses this assistance for that purpose on the Afghan and Pak border remains to be seen.

maybe the Brits are simply testing the IRI's word on even the minutest deals at this point...

Very possibly, considering other facts that have come to light.

And whether that assistance is actually sent at this point (regardless of aproval of a deal entered into months ago) remains to be seen.

In any case, take a good look at Blair's remarks that I posted in full...
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 1:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now we know the truth about Iran, we must act Sun. 9 Oct 2005



Sunday Telegraph

Opinion

By Con Coughlin

It was not the outcome the Foreign Office had been planning. When it was announced early last week that a senior British diplomat in Baghdad was flying back to London to give a briefing on Iraq's constitutional referendum, the general expectation in Whitehall was that the following day's headlines would focus exclusively on whether sufficient numbers of Iraqis would turn out to validate the exercise.

Imagine the surprise, then, of Jack Straw and his officials the following morning when they opened their newspapers to discover that the future constitutional arrangements for Iraq had been completely superseded by official British confirmation that Iran's Revolutionary Guards were behind the deadly attacks that have recently claimed the lives of eight British soldiers.

For the past two years it has been a Foreign Office mantra that not a word should be uttered that could in any way be construed as criticising the Iranian government. Having voiced his last-minute opposition to the invasion of Iraq, Mr Straw had taken it upon himself to find a "negotiated solution" to the West's stand-off with Teheran over its clandestine nuclear programme as an alternative to military confrontation.

Indeed, when The Sunday Telegraph two weeks ago revealed that agents working for the Revolutionary Guards had linked up with the Iraqi groups responsible for the attacks on British troops, the Foreign Office continued to insist that there was no firm evidence.

But now the cat is out of the bag. Not realising the sensitivity that Mr Straw attaches to Britain's dealings with Teheran, the unfortunate diplomat unwittingly strayed from his referendum brief and started laying into the Iranians with a gusto not seen in the British diplomatic service for decades. The Iranians, said the diplomat, were colluding with Sunni Muslim insurgent groups in southern Iraq. They were providing them with deadly terrorist technology that has been perfected by the Iranian-funded Hizbollah militia in southern Lebanon against the Israeli army. And their motivation was to deter Britain from insisting that Teheran abandon its controversial nuclear programme. "It would be entirely natural that they would want to send a message 'don't mess with us'. It would not be outside the policy parameters of Teheran."

This is diplomat-speak for, if Britain wants to confront Iran over its nuclear weapons programme, then Iran feels entitled to blow up young British soldiers.

The off-message tone of the unnamed diplomat's comments sent shock-waves through the oak-panelled walls of the Foreign Office. "It was all very amusing," said one official. "For years diplomats have been under strict instructions not to say anything in public that might upset the Iranians. And then someone gives it to them straight between the eyes."

Perversely, this undiplomatic bout of straight-talking may turn out to have done Mr Straw and the Foreign Office an enormous favour. By baldly stating what the Iranians are really up to in southern Iraq, the diplomat has freed his employers from the obligation of persisting with the charade of constructive engagement with a regime whose only interest in construction appears to be directed at building an atom bomb.

The policy of kowtowing to the Iranians goes back a long way. It started in the late 1980s when Sir Geoffrey Howe, the then foreign secretary, attempted to establish a constructive dialogue with the mullahs in what proved a futile attempt to persuade Teheran to free British hostages in Lebanon. As part of this policy, the British government took the shameful decision to drop its claim that the Iranians had masterminded the Lockerbie bombing that killed 270 people in December 1988, even though British intelligence uncovered significant evidence of Iranian involvement.

Fast forward to 2005, and the British Government continues to play the supplicant while Iran continues to do as it pleases. For the past two years, Mr Straw and his French and German colleagues have argued that the best way to persuade the Iranians to give up their nuclear programme is to pursue a "negotiated solution". As the Foreign Secretary insisted earlier this year, it was "inconceivable" that the US and Britain would take military action against Teheran.

Mr Straw's pacifist tendencies were music to the mullahs' ears, so much so that they expressed their gratitude by breaking the seals at the Isfahan nuclear processing plant and resumed their uranium enrichment programme. This action alone should have convinced the European negotiators to activate their long-standing threat to report Iran to the Security Council for its persistent failure to cooperate with the requirements of the International Atomic Energy Agency, the UN's nuclear watchdog body.

But that was far too confrontational for Foreign Office sensitivities and, at the request of Mohammed ElBaradei, the head of the IAEA, the Europeans gave Iran one last chance to comply. That was in July. Since then, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the new Iranian president, has gone out of his way to humiliate both the Europeans and the IAEA.

When Ahmadinejad addressed the UN general assembly last month, far from offering a compromise on the nuclear issue, he laid into the US and its allies, including Britain, accusing them of sponsoring terrorism. Mr Straw's response? To reassure the Iranians that the crisis between Iran and the West would "not be resolved by military means, let's be clear about that". And even when the IAEA finally agreed to refer Iran to the security council, the timing and manner of reporting Iran was deliberately left open "to allow room for more negotiation", as one IAEA official explained.

Mr ElBaradei's disinclination to make Iran fulfil its international obligations is, of course, one of the reasons that he has been awarded the Nobel peace prize, a decision that will have the mullahs falling about with laughter in Teheran this weekend. This, after all, was the same ElBaradei who said he had no evidence that Libya was building an atom bomb until Colonel Gaddafi saw the light after the Iraq war and publicly renounced his nuclear weapons programme.

Certainly, the longer the West prevaricates over Iran, the more inclined the Iranians are to think they can get their way by resorting to the tactics of the bully. The Iranians clearly do not share Mr Straw's aversion to military action: the moment we try to call them to account, they kill and maim our soldiers in southern Iraq.

With the help of last week's unscripted remarks by that diplomat, Britain and its European allies should face up to the reality of dealing with modern Iran and accept that their policy of appeasement towards the mullahs now lies in shreds.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Only threat of force will tame Tehran Sun. 9 Oct 2005



The Observer

Britain must stop being soft and use its might to stop terror, says Michael Rubin

Tony Blair confirmed last week that bombs used to kill eight British soldiers in Iraq were a type used by Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps and groups that it supports in Lebanon.

His words were circumspect, but the point was clear: London considers Tehran responsible for killing British troops in Iraq. Blair's accusations confirm that the British-secured zone, once praised as a triumph for the 'softly-softly' approach, is a model no more. In recent weeks death squads have kidnapped and murdered journalists, most famously Steven Vincent, an American freelance writer who had warned of Iranian infiltration of the police. Dozens of Iraqis have fallen victim to Iranian-backed militias.

It did not have to be this way. The Iranian challenge in Iraq has long been apparent. In January 2004, Lebanese Hizbollah opened offices across southern Iraq. In the centre of Basra, Lebanese Hizbollah flags flew from an annexe to the Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution in Iraq headquarters.

In exchange for quiet, British officials have turned a blind eye to the Iranian challenge. When Shia militias turned away from schools girls not conforming to Muslim standards of dress, British forces did nothing to guarantee them a right to education. When young gangs plastered the University of Basra with posters of Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, British officials remained silent. An official assessment following Muqtada al-Sadr's uprising in April 2004 blamed a British political officer in al-Kut for 'intentionally toning down' reports of [Shia] insurgent activity'. In Amara, British officials transferred the Baath party headquarters to the Badr Corps; many locals wanted to use it as a health clinic instead. The Iranian-trained militia festooned their new headquarters with anti-coalition slogans. British troops refused to be provoked.

For terrorists and their sponsors, British restraint is assumed. There is little fear of military reprisal. A major factor behind the Iranian government's willingness to murder British troops has been the impotence and naivety of UK diplomacy.

It has become conventional wisdom among the foreign policy elite that military force is never appropriate. The outbreak of the Iraqi insurgency and the fumbled reconstruction have reinforced anti-war sentiment among the chattering classes. If only President Bush had listened to the international community and allowed United Nations inspectors to finish their job, they say, war might have been averted.

War should always be the last resort. But a credible military threat is sometimes necessary to maintain peace. In the case of Iran, British cabinet officials have undercut diplomacy. As tension between Washington and Iran escalated last month, for example, Foreign Secretary Jack Straw was asked about the possibility of military action. 'US Presidents always say all options are open. But it is not on the table, it is not on the agenda. I happen to think it is inconceivable,' he told the BBC on 28 September. Al-Jazeera's headline for this was: 'No military action against Iran.'

Straw may have wanted to reinforce the notion that London remained committed to diplomacy, playing to a British public conditioned to view the American President as a reckless cowboy and religious nut. But his words were interpreted in Tehran as weakness.

Engagement alone can backfire. Between 2000 and 2005, trade between Iran and the European Union has almost tripled. During the same period, it doubled its number of executions and spent several billion dollars on its nuclear programme.

Iranian diplomats may be sincere. They may have impressed Straw. But the Islamic republic's structure leaves them impotent. Only the Supreme Leader, the Revolutionary Guards, and the Intelligence Ministry wield power. It is no accident that Iran's envoy to Iraq was not from the Iranian Foreign Ministry, but from the division of the Revolutionary Guards charged with the export of revolution.

Diplomacy backed by the threat of military force can be a winning combination. What little success the negotiations regarding Iran's nuclear intentions have had are due not only to European carrots, but also American sticks.

Iran is not alone in this. Examining Libyan leader Muammar Gadaffi's decision to settle his differences with London and Washington, US columnist Charles Krauthammer suggested it was no coincidence that 'Gadaffi's first message to Britain, the principal US war ally and conduit to White House war counsels, occur[red] just days before the invasion of Iraq.

'And his final capitulation to US-British terms occur[red] just five days after Saddam Hussein is fished out of a rathole.' Had Straw assured Gadaffi he need never fear military reprisal, the Libyan leader would today be nearing completion of his nuclear bomb. Might matters.

If democracy prevails in Iraq, the Iranian leadership understands that 70 million Iranians will clamour for the same rights. Iraq's success poses an existential challenge. While Iran's youth crave Western pop, fashion and freedom, ideology dominates the Islamic republic's leadership. Khomeini's constitution enshrines theocracy and the export of revolution.

No amount of reform can change that. And no amount of engagement can ameliorate its challenge.

The best the West can hope for is containment. Diplomacy can repulse the Iranian challenge in Iraq, but nice words alone are insufficient. Deals must be obeyed and promises kept. Sometimes that takes a willingness to use force.

Armies, not words, are a diplomat's most potent tool.

Michael Rubin, a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute in Washington, is the editor of the Middle East Quarterly
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MI5 unmasks covert arms programmes Sat. 8 Oct 2005



The Guardian

Document names 300 organisations seeking nuclear and WMD technology

Ian Cobain and Ewen MacAskill

The determination of countries across the Middle East and Asia to develop nuclear arsenals and other weapons of mass destruction is laid bare by a secret British intelligence document which has been seen by the Guardian.

More than 360 private companies, university departments and government organisations in eight countries, including the Pakistan high commission in London, are identified as having procured goods or technology for use in weapons programmes.

The length of the list, compiled by MI5, suggests that the arms trade supermarket is bigger than has so far been publicly realised. MI5 warns against exports to organisations in Iran, Pakistan, India, Israel, Syria and Egypt and to beware of front companies in the United Arab Emirates, which appears to be a hub for the trade.

The disclosure of the list comes as the Nobel peace prize was yesterday awarded to Mohamed ElBaradei, head of the UN watchdog responsible for combating proliferation. The Nobel committee said they had made the award because of the apparent deadlock in disarmament and the danger that nuclear weapons could spread "both to states and to terrorist groups".

The MI5 document, entitled Companies and Organisations of Proliferation Concern, has been compiled in an attempt to prevent British companies inadvertently exporting sensitive goods or expertise to organisations covertly involved in WMD programmes. Despite the large number of bodies identified, the document says the list is not exhaustive.

It states: "It is not suggested that the companies and organisations on the list have committed an offence under UK legislation. However, in addition to conducting non-proliferation related business, they have procured goods and/or technology for weapons of mass destruction programmes."

The 17-page document identifies 95 Pakistani organisations and government bodies, including the Pakistan high commission in London, as having assisted in the country's nuclear programme. The list was compiled two years ago, shortly after the security service mounted a surveillance operation at the high commission which is the only diplomatic institution on the list. Abdul Basit, the deputy high commissioner, said: "It is absolute rubbish for Pakistan to be included. We take exception to these links."

Some 114 Iranian organisations, including chemical and pharmaceutical companies and university medical schools, are identified as having acquired nuclear, chemical, biological or missile technology. The document also attempts to shed some light on the nuclear ambitions of Egypt and Syria: a private chemical company in Egypt is identified as having procured technology for use in a nuclear weapons programme, while the Syrian atomic energy commission faces a similar charge. Eleven Israeli organisations appear on the list, along with 73 Indian bodies, which are said to have been involved in WMD programmes.

The document also highlights concerns that companies in Malta and Cyprus could have been used as fronts for WMD programmes. The United Arab Emirates is named as "the most important" of the countries where front companies may have been used, and 24 private firms there are identified as having acquired WMD technology for Iran, Pakistan and India.

A spokesman for the UAE government said it had always worked "very closely" with the British authorities to counter the proliferation of WMD.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 2:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm. what an interesting comparison oppie.

come to think of it, Brits are Involved in both Drug Smuggling in Afghanistan and Arm Smuggling in Iraq.

they haven't lied about it, but what they did was let the suicide bombers with their amunition into Iraq knowing they wanted to attack American soldiers! what else would they wanna do with all those guns and granades? build schools? lol

wow, they actually helped establish IRI in Iraq and watched your soldiers die, knowing that they would be forgiven so easily, ofcourse!

with such allies you don't need enemies!

and now they will easily turn Iraq into their own zone. you may be killed to protect the brits' interests there, but they have the upper hand in controling the masses through their historic ties with shiet clergy.

yet another Islamic Republic. Iran, Afghanistan, and now Iraq. all British political territories!

you can bet they've leaked your info to mullahs. and will coach them to take over the region.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

(yawn) Liberty, I did a review of all your posts since you started posting here, and I have a question:

Arn't you just a little frustrated that no one has given any credence to the conspiracy theories you've consistantly posted all this time?

and a follow up....do you believe everything you think?

Maybe it's just that you have no original thought to contribute , so you parrot the ideas of others.

Some of it is quite amusing....especially Dr. Livergood's ramblings...typical left wing-nut oil for blood conspiracy theory...

Footnoted in reference by other published consiracy thories....


Reading Livergood's diatribe reminds me....a few years ago a friend thought I'd appreciate a good chuckle, so she gave me a really well written book called SPACE ALIENS FROM THE PENTAGON

In the very first chapter it fell flat on its face talking about a secret DOD project in Los Alamos prior to the Manhattan project that my granddad worked with Oppenheimer on.

Now I know for a fact as it is family history that when my grandparents went there to help build the Atomic bomb in WW2....there was nothing there except a boys ranch, knee deep mud, and there was no way any military goings on were conducted there prior.

But it was an amusing book to read....
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oppie jan, much of what I wrote is also "family history" as you call it.

Iranian family's history! I don't expect you to understand or accept it, but we know what happened over there and who supported khomeini the madfscist. ok? buzz off my family history. stick to yours.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh yeah, forgot to mention your habit of threatening folks, habitual insults, and playing the "victim card" ,running to the site administrator when you have an accusation of anyone that disagrees with you..

No, I think I'll be around long after you get the boot off this forum, and that's a fact...and an imminent possibility...Liberty...have a nice day.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

didn't mean leave the site. it's you who threaten to kick people out if they disagree with you! unlike you, I believe in freedom of speech and opinion.

get a grip.
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for other friends in the board I recommend nabavi's review of recent events: translate it for oppie so he can lighten up for a change lol


http://roozonline.com/03satire/010747.shtml
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"didn't mean leave the site. it's you who threaten to kick people out if they disagree with you! unlike you, I believe in freedom of speech and opinion.

get a grip."

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I'm given to understand you are simply a young and immature hothead...and now you are a proven hypocrite....if you get the boot, you have only yourself to blame.

Read it and weep.....




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Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 5:20 pm Post subject: last ultimatum to guest to register

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I will be IGNORING guest's posts and would like to see them out of this site, he's obviously here to stir **** in favor of UK/ EU.

to guest for the last time:

We all know the ayatollahs only mission was to take Iran back to the middle ages and empty it of all resources, and make sure it will be a weak dependent country by the time they are done.

Now what could they do to further destroy our country?
I'm sure 'Omol Ghora' will come up wtih yet another devestating mission for their beloved thugs in Iran.

If the Nuclear Sites bow up - for any reason - we will take AYATOLLAHS BRITISH/ EU MASTERS to International courts.

Remember that !

(you better buzz off now, before I blow up your cover)

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Life is hard Liberty, but it's harder when you're stupid.


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Modus operandi of Liberty Now! revealed....part-2

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British made Ayatollahs' only mission is to Destroy Iran, and send all its resources to Britania, as they have done for decades. (read Iran's history)

[size=24]If the Nuclear Sites bow up - for ANY reason - we will take AYATOLLAHS BRITISH/ EU MASTERS to International courts.

Remember that !


Admin send this guest back to london with next flight please. ASAP.

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Feel free to "blow up my cover", but no one can send me "back to London" since I've never lived there.

I posted as "Guest" since I didn't feel like registering and I'm posting now as "Guest" so you can recognize me as the same person from the previous post, but I'll change it in the next posts if any.

However, it's the first time I posted here, although I've been reading these very interesting forums for quite some time, and you totally misread my intentions. I'm not here to defend neither the UK nor the EU and I don't know where in my post you've read that I do.

Whether the ayatollahs work for themselves, for the British or for both they wish to stay in power and will use whatever they can to do so. I hope and pray the Iranian people will succeed in the uprise before the mullahs get the bomb or it might become even harder.

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Guest simply wanted to remain anon and have a conversation....maybe he was posting from inside Iran, Liberty...did that cross your mind even once?

Life is hard...but it's harder when you're stupid.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Food for thought Liberty........


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The number one goal of this site is not to serve as a playground that hosts childish and foolish behavior, but rather the purpose of the forum is to be a medium where pro-freedom Iranians and non-Iranians can discuss the future of Iran, The United States, and the world as a whole.

If the board moderators and admin determine that a particular user is adding little or zero value in his/her posts and overtly or covertly trying to distract the focus of our discussions as well as create friction among site visitors he or she will be banned indefinitely from the forum without an ounce of hesitation.

Koroush met such a profile - and so he met his fate and was banned from the forum.

Hopefully this clears things up,
Kian -

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You seem to fit such a profile Liberty...'nough said.


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I've pointed out many such cases which led to their expulsion.

but if all the admins think that I should leave, by all means, let me know and indeed I wouldn't want to be somewhere I'm not welcome.

it's not the only place for activism, and oppie here has gone to great length to censor my opinions and attack my thoughts. I wouldn't want him to suffer so much because of his limited tolerance for the other views!

but I stay for now, because I beleive we have to learn more tolerance for opposite views. it's the just democracy 101, and without it our activism towards a free country wont mean a thing.

unless what you're after is not a free Iran. I think we're all here for a Free Iran, however with diff. views on things. that's not what I can say for sure about oppie. I'm sorry to say.
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it's not the only place for activism, and oppie here has gone to great length to censor my opinions and attack my thoughts. I wouldn't want him to suffer so much because of his limited tolerance for the other views!

but I stay for now, because I beleive we have to learn more tolerance for opposite views. it's the just democracy 101, and without it our activism towards a free country wont mean a thing.
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Here we go with Liberty Now Playing the "victim card"...once again...

Get this strait...I question your opinions because you try to pose them as fact, when all you post is simply conjecture, and an illusion of the past that you were not even alive then to see for yourself...maybe in diapers...
..fixated in virtually every one of your posts on the past in total disregard to the stated purpose of this forum. (see above post by site admin.)

I asked you to think because you show a great lack of understanding and objectivity towards the issues and towards other people in this discussion besides myself.

I've also asked you to consider what you post, not to "censor you" but so you might consider who your posts appear to support (a la the IRI).

I have questioned and attacked your methodology in your dealings with others on this forum because I find that that represents questionable character on your part.

I have posted this in your own words, so that you may look in the mirror.

Whether you choose to modify your behavior or not isn't my problem, I'm just sick of being witness to it, and calling it what it is...Lies, deception distraction and hypocracy.

You say,

"I've pointed out many such cases which led to their expulsion."


When in fact what you've done consistantly is to try and drive people off that you don't agree with, falsly accuse them of being CIA, (as does the IRI), and if that doesn't work, you threaten them, and anger them to the point that the original discussion then centers around you and your ego and pushing propaganda every chance you get...as I've said, I've reviewed your posts, and the threads in context...There's much more I could add in the way of facts to prove what I say here...in your own words.

Well son, I do my research, you've been caught in a lie, and you perpetuate your hypocracy that now is self evident to anyone that reads this thread.

You crave respect and attention... well "grasshopper", when you have earned the respect of others you will have more positive attention payed in feedback...finally when you will have graduated from the "Shou-lin School of Political Activism", then it will be time for you to grasp the truth and go forth into the world to lay bloody waste to mullacrocy....but until then...remember...

Life is hard, but it's harder when you're stupid.
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