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Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 6:32 pm Post subject: Fakharavar- Iran's Hope? |
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Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 7:43 pm Post subject: Re: Fakharavar- Irans's Hope? |
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blank wrote: | http://regimechangeiran.blogspot.com/2006/07/ex-student-hailed-as-irans-hope.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/07/02/wamir02.xml
Tuesday, July 04, 2006
Ex-student Hailed as Iran's Hope
Toby Harnden, Telegraph:
An Iranian student leader who was imprisoned and tortured before fleeing to the United States in May is to meet Vice-President Dick Cheney and deliver his message about the need for "regime change" in Teheran.
Amir Abbas Fakhravar, 30, has become the poster child of some of the leading neo-conservatives in Washington and, less than two months after leaving Iran, the former medical student who spent five years in jail and still bears the scars on his youthful face, is being championed as the person who can unite his country's fractious opposition.
He is adamantly opposed to nuclear negotiations with Teheran, which were offered by President George W. Bush in a policy U-turn last month after Condoleezza Rice, the Secretary of State, prevailed over Mr Cheney.
"The world has to do something - whatever it takes - so that [President] Mahmoud Ahmadinejad does not become another Hitler," Mr Fakhravar told The Sunday Telegraph in his office at the Foundation for the Defence of Democracies in Washington.
When asked whether military action would be desirable, he replied: "Whatever the world does against the Iranian regime, the Iranian people will be supportive."
Mr Fakhravar's most prominent sponsor is Richard Perle, a former Reagan administration official who later served as chairman of the Pentagon's defence policy board.
Mr Perle was among figures who once hailed Ahmed Chalabi, leader of the Iraqi National Congress, as the natural successor to Saddam Hussein. However, Mr Chalabi later fell out with the Bush administration amid allegations of links to Iranian intelligence.
Mr Perle met Mr Fakhravar in Dubai in May after the latter had left Iran, fearing that he was about to be murdered. The Iranian, leader of the Confederation of Independent Iranian Students, was guest of honour at a recent American Enterprise Institute (AEI) lunch attended by key Pentagon and State Department officials.
The AEI, a conservative think-tank, has helped to develop many of the foreign policy positions adopted by the administration and was a major voice calling for Saddam to be toppled.
Michael Ledeen, an AEI scholar and Iran expert who co-hosted the lunch with Mr. Perle, said of Mr Fakhravar: "He's a unifying figure. He's strong physically and psychologically. I think he's extraordinarily smart. He's one of the few Iranian opposition figures I've met who can think through the way Westerners look at Iran and help them understand."
Others who are said to have been impressed by his credentials are Professor Bernard Lewis, the Middle East historian, and James Woolsey, a former CIA director.
Prof Lewis, whose arguments helped to underpin the neo-conservative philosophy of spreading democracy, supporting Israel and projecting American power in the Middle East, is understood to have encouraged Mr Cheney to meet Mr Fakhravar. The former student walks with a slight limp, the result, he said, of being viciously kicked in the left knee by the judge who sentenced him to eight years in 2002 for criticising Iran's supreme leader in his novella This Place is Not a Ditch.
Mr Fakhravar has ambitious plans to bring the larger Tahkim Vahdat student organisation, which favours reform rather than regime change, under his group's wing and also to find common cause with the broader opposition movement.
But some Iran hardliners in Washington have distanced themselves from Mr Fakhravar. "This is no Ahmed Chalabi," said one. "I know that my well-intentioned friends are desperate to find a single figure to rally around but it's not the same as Iraq. It won't work."
Mr Fakhrahar said ordinary Iranians had become increasingly pro-American and even pro-Israeli because of Mr Ahmadinejad's bloodthirsty rhetoric about both countries. "They are growing to like Israel now. It's natural to feel the opposite of what he says." |
Despite the fact that Mr. Amir Abbas Fakhravar is a freedom-loving activist, has been tortured by Islamist regime thugs, and we appreciate his hard work for freeing our homeland , the Iranian people will not follow any single person or single group no matter how good a person or group is . There are historical reasons that Iranian people are not repeating the same mistake with Khomeni again. The MEK has made the same mistake by promoting Ms. Rajavi as a leader.
If the West is looking for a single person or group to promote them as a dominating leader of Iranian people, is not going to work, and is considered as the wrong model .
It is natural that the ActivistChat is opposing to promote any individual or group as the only alternative. This is by no means opposition to RP, Fakhravar or ….
We are after creating democratic institutions to replace Taazi Islamist regime with free society and secular democracy.
At this critical moment in our history, it is absolutely essential to mobilize all Iranian forces and strengthen the opposition leadership in order to free our homeland. There are many Iranian groups and democratic organizations that they are working hard and making sacrifices for freeing our homeland in order to replace the Islamist regime with a free society and secular democracy.
The world has changed and time of promoting only one person as a leader of very complex Iranian oppositions and 70 million Iranian people as a hostage to the Islamist regime can not be acceptable solution for many Iranian opposition groups and individual activists. In these circumstance the important decisions should be made through team effort by democratically elected Iranian council outside Iran . The US should consider to help creating Iranian Parliament and Leadership council Outside Iran and avoid past mistakes.
Our constituents recommendation for electing members of Iranian Parliament and Leadership council Outside Iran are all those organizations and individuals who believe in the following Articles:
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ActivistChat 2006 Guideline Framework
1. Cyrus the Great (585-529 BC), is the founding father of Persia. ActivistChat members admire Cyrus The Great as the greatest liberator of all time for defining the First Declaration of Human Rights over 2500 years ago and the humane treatment of vast empire he ruled. Professor Richard Frye of Harvard University said; "Surely the concept of One World, the fusion of Peoples and Cultures into oneness was one of his important legacies".
2. Ferdowsi is the father of Iranian Renaissance, neo-Iranian cultural awareness, and the Shahnameh is credited with the revival of Iranian identity.
3. The "War on Terror" which is a subset of "War on Taazi" UNWINNABLE and the world peace can not be achieved as long as the Unelected Taazi Islamists Terror and Torture Masters are in power in Iran. The TAAZI terror state and fear society can not create peace and stability.
To avoid War or Nuclear war or another disaster like Chernobyl nuclear disaster 20 years ago , ( Animation of Nuclear Bunker Buster: Destructive impact on civilian population in Iran and beyond )
our message to Iranian people inside Iran: General Strike Now, our message to Security Forces (Police, Pasdaran and Military) must act now for regime change and replacing it with Free society and Secular Democracy. The Iranian people have already spoken by boycotting Elections. The Armed forces must choose between defending and serving the people or serving Mullahs. This is up to armed and security forces to choose between SHAME and HONOR, serving Mullahs or their Sisters, Brothers, Fathers & Mothers who pay their salary.
To avoid war Iranian people of all ages do not have any choice other than be prepared to fight to free their homeland from Viruses of Iranian society whether the armed forces serve them or serve the enemy of freedom and free society. Iranian people should be prepared for final battle for freeing their homeland from TAAZI and must not forget that their FOREVER leader Cyrus the Great died in battlefield in 530 BC at the age of 60 and not in bed.
4. Iranian people can decide about Nuclear Energy, Nuclear Research and Atomic Bomb after the regime change when they have established stable secular democracy and FREE society until then Iran should avoid any kind of Nuclear research program, resulting to acquire Atomic Bomb, under Islamist Taazi occupation and control.
5. Territorial integrity and national sovereignty of Iran.
6. Complete separation of religion from the State.
7. Acceptance of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
8. Free, open and democratic referendum to elect the type of the new Government of Iran in the post-IRI era.
9. Minimum standard of living for all citizens of Iran and equal opportunity for all citizens to benefit from country's national wealth.
10. Work within high standard of code of ethics not to fight with other political groups or fellow FREE Iran Activists unless they are violating one of the key principles or moving against the concept of Free Society and secular democracy.
11. We are Free Iran Activists and Watch Group monitoring high government officials, Journalists , writers and scholars words and their actions based on the following direction from James Madison:
"If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary. In framing a government which is to be administered by men! over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and in the next place oblige it to control itself. A dependence on the people is, no doubt, the primary control on the government; but experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions. "
The Federalist No. 51 (James Madison).
12. Support and promote people, groups and leadership who are making positive contributions for Human Rights, Regime Change in Iran, Free
Iran, Free Society and Secular democracy from progressive Center, Right and Left.
We thank all compatriots and organizations who contributed for defining part of above Guideline Framework for Human Rights, Regime Change in Iran, Free Iran, Free Society and Secular Democracy .
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This is one of the best way to create a critical mass faster, get closer to the FREE IRAN Inflection Point, establish free society and secular democracy with minimum bloodshed.
This is an open forum suggestion for ActivistChat members discussion, enhancement and public awareness.
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Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 9:02 pm Post subject: Iranian Student Leader Visits LA to Unite Opposition Groups |
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Iranian Student Leader Visits LA to Unite Opposition Groups
July 06, 2006
The Associated Press
Peter Prengaman
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/local/states/california/northern_california/14981239.htm
LOS ANGELES -- An Iranian student leader who was imprisoned for years until he recently fled his homeland arrived in Southern California on Thursday in hopes of uniting Iranian opposition groups, a huge task in an affluent yet fractured community that has never been able to unite around one leader.
Amir Abbas Fakhravar, 31, was to begin several days of meetings Thursday night with a speech to Iranian students in Los Angeles, home to America's largest expatriate Iranian community.
Since fleeing Iran in May, Fakhravar has quickly become a darling among American conservatives who believe the only solution to Iran - which is rushing toward nuclear capabilities - is a complete overhaul of the Islamic government.
Fakhravar has been telling Washington officials and opposition groups that Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad plans to build a nuclear bomb, and that helping students in Iran rise up is the key to toppling the government.
"I hope to bring all the opposition groups onto one page," said Fakhravar during a phone interview late Wednesday from Washington, D.C., where he is living.
Fakhravar, who spoke through a translator because he doesn't speak English, said he would succeed where others had failed by making Iranian students the rallying point.
Achieving unity won't be easy.
Iranians started coming to America in large numbers after 1979, when an Islamic revolution toppled the U.S.-friendly shah. Today there are more than 160,000 Californians of Iranian descent statewide, according to U.S. Census data, the majority in the Los Angeles area.
While Iranians have become one of America's most successful immigrant communities - in Southern California they live and own businesses in exclusive areas like Santa Monica and Beverly Hills - they have never united on how to engage their homeland. While older Iranians want the shah's son to take power, younger generations support democracy.
"In Iran it's easier to organize opposition," said Zia Atabay, president of NITV, one of dozens of Los Angeles-based Farsi-language satellite stations that beam opposition rhetoric into Tehran. "But here everybody is always banging into each other."
Still, Atabay and others said they were impressed with Fakhravar.
A former medical student, Fakhravar has been in and out of jail since he was 17, when he made his first anti-government speech. He was serving an eight-year jail sentence for criticizing the government in a book when he fled Iran for Dubai; Fakhravar said he went into hiding for 10 months after being released from jail for 48 hours to take a university exam.
"Everybody in the Islamic regime can be bought," said Fakhravar, declining to provide details on how he escaped Iran.
Gary Sick, former top White House expert on Iran during the 1979 hostage crisis and now a Columbia University professor, said conservative policy makers for years have gone through "screening tests" of Iranian dissidents in hopes of finding a strong opposition leader.
"Fakhravar is perhaps the most serious so far," said Sick. "He's a genuine dissident who put his life on the line and was arrested over and over again, so he clearly speaks quite honestly."
Fakhravar said he has met with officials from the State Department, National Security Administration, Sen. Rick Santorum, R-Pa., and Deputy Secretary of State Robert B. Zoellick.
One of Fakhravar's most outspoken supporters is Richard Perle, a former Reagan administration official who later served as chairman of the Pentagon's defense policy board. Perle met with Fakhravar in Dubai, and helped bring him to the U.S.
Perle and others once hailed Ahmed Chalabi, a leader in the Iraqi exile community who provided intelligence to U.S. officials before the U.S. invasion - information that was later discredited.
"The situation in Iran is different from Iraq and Chalabi," said Fakhravar. "Iran is already a war zone, and we need to do whatever is necessary to get rid of the Islamic government." |
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blank wrote: | Cyrus; I understand your point of view, that you are not trying to promote anyone..and that is a fair statement from a site owner...to present all views. Looking out there, I can only count 2-3 that are sane and do not have a soiled background (not been involved with IRI), and can be in a leadership position in terms of uniting everyone. Most others including Farhanipour is so wrapped with their ideology and a "must have a republic or else" attitude that are unable to unite everyone. Last time, I asked Espandiar, his right hand, what happens if in a referandum people chose a secular democratic monarchy, what will happen?, will you turn into insurgency...... Espandiar could not respond.... and basically said he "cannot waste his time answering my questions"....
This is only my personal view, and the ones I think are able to unite.
Reza Phalavi: Who has been fighting outside of Iran for over 20 years.
Abdolmalke Rigi: Who is the maverick fighting in the Trenches of Baloochestan.
Fakharavar: Who has been fighting inside & now outside.
All these three men, their life is in danger and should be completely protected at all cost. RP has learned that the hard way.
I worry about Fakharavar,, because I don't want to see him a target like Dr. Bakhtiar. |
Dear Blank,
My point was not so much related specifically regarding Mr. Fakharavar, it was more general. Now that Mr. Fakharavar is in US we are looking forward to his view and his direction and if his position does not contradict ActivistChat 2006 framework we will be more supportive. We have to become more cautious about different groups and their hidden agenda. We are in agreement that the Secular Monarchy or Secular Republic will be decided by Free Referendum after regime change, not now and we should respect the outcome of it.
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Quote: | the Iranian people will not follow any single person or single group no matter how good a person or group is . |
Cyrus’ point is a very good one. There is no reason that we should exclusively commit ourselves to a single person or organization. We are quite capable in supporting many different people on many different fronts simultaneously.
I have yet to see a single person that would qualify as a true leader. Many have their strengths and contributions, but no one person as of yet really stands out. No one has shown such overwhelming strength and talent that would deserve to be called the Iranian leader in the fight for independence. Though I am not very critical of him, I certainly don't see RP as a significant leadership personality at the present.
I don’t know much about Mr Fakharavar yet, but I don’t see how being the vocal victim of persecution of this regime qualifies one as the leader of its opposition. It takes much more than that. Such a leader should possess great organization skills, as well as intellect, charisma, personality, and ingenuity. Whether or not Mr. Fakharavar possesses those qualities or not I do not know as of yet. We can only watch him with hopeful optimism.
I estimate that such leadership will not arrive with a single person, but a group of people. Many say that the Iranian opposition’s main weakness is the fact that they have no single leader. This may be true, but in time it may also become its strength. A group of people can be more beneficial than a single person. Resources and talents may be utilized from various people rather than a single individual or organization.
I doubt that there will be a single leadership figure in our struggle for Iran’s freedom. That may not arrive until after Iran is freed, and the resources of the free nation are utilized to seek out a single leader. _________________ I am Dariush the Great King, King of Kings, King of countries containing all kinds of men, King in this great earth far and wide, son of Hystaspes, an Achaemenian, a Persian, son of a Persian, an Aryan, having Aryan lineage
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Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 1:33 pm Post subject: Iran: Tentative Moves toward a Broad Anti-Regime Platform |
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Iran: Tentative Moves toward a Broad Anti-Regime Platform
Amir Taheri, Arab News
http://www.arabnews.com/?page=7§ion=0&article=84999&d=8&m=7&y=2006
Since the election of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad last summer, efforts have been made to bring together opponents of the Islamic republic with a plan for action on specific issues. It now seems that those efforts have met with some success, enabling the opposition to coordinate tactics against the Ahamdinejad administration.
"Everyone has the feeling that things are coming to a head (in Iran)," says a former Cabinet minister under President Muhammad Khatami. "People seem ready to forget (past) disputes and work together to save the nation from the most dangerous crisis in its recent history."
Efforts to harmonize oppositional action come after years of fruitless negotiations to form a united front capable of offering a credible alternative to the regime.
The reasons for the past failure might have been evident from the start.
A good part of the opposition consists of individuals and groups that, having participated in the Khomeinist revolution of 1978-79, have broken with it over the years. While not admitting that Iran is on the wrong trajectory, these former Khomeinists are not prepared to condemn the revolution as the source of the nation's misfortunes, including an eight-year war with Iraq and more than 150,000 executions, over the past 27 years.
Another major bloc within the opposition consists of those who speak in the name of Iranian nationalism and/or pluralistic democracy and see the revolution itself as the evil child of religious despotism.
Then, there are those that have waged armed struggle against the Islamic republic in the name of ethnic rights, religious differences and ideological causes.
Another reason for the cleavage is the fact that a good part of the opposition, ranging from monarchists to Communists and passing by conservative republicans, has had its leadership in exile for years. The exiles have held a series of meetings, most recently in Berlin and London, to harmonize their activities, without, however, agreeing on a common platform.
The arrival into exile in recent months of several former prominent figures of the Islamic regime, including four Cabinet ministers, a former mayor of Tehran and some former commanders of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, has helped facilitate contact between internal and external dissidents.
However, the real impetus for greater harmony among opposition groups has come from a new form of opposition based on economic and/or social grievances. Within these new groups, university students, and industrial workers may have the greatest potential for challenging the regime in a meaningful way.
The emerging consensus within the opposition appears to be based on at least six points.
The first is that past differences should be set aside in favor of joint action. Some anti-regime groups are even prepared to envisage a broad front that would include former figures of the regime who have decided to distance themselves form the radical Ahmadinejad administration. The idea is that, provided they are allocated a certain space, many former regime insiders will be ready to switch sides as the crisis intensifies.
The second is that anti-regime action should be organized around specific issues related to the interests of broad segments of society. In that spirit, opposition groups from different backgrounds have worked together in support of a series of industrial strikes that have hit various cities, including Tehran, in recent weeks.
The third point is that any attempt at a speedy politicization of economic, social, ethnic and cultural demands could be counterproductive. This is why most opposition groups, including those in exile, have refrained from claiming credit for recent workers' strikes and student demonstrations. The emerging analysis within the opposition is that the regime is more vulnerable when forced to offer economic, social and cultural concessions that could undermine its totalitarian hold on society.
The fourth point is that most opposition groups have agreed to set their maximum demands with regard to the future form of government on hold. The monarchists are no longer insisting on a straight return to the pre-revolution system while the disillusioned Khomeinists have toned down their opposition to a constitutional referendum that might allow a return to monarchy in some form. Even the People's Combatants Organization (Mujahedin Khalq) now agrees that the future form of government should be decided by the people.
The fifth point is that the issue of Iran's nuclear ambitions must not be allowed to divert domestic and international attention from growing unrest inside the country.
Opposition leaders believe that Ahamdinejad is deliberately seeking a limited military clash with the United States on the nuclear issue to defuse internal tension and rally the people behind his increasingly beleaguered administration. While no one in the opposition is publicly asking the United States to withdraw the threat of military action, everyone agrees that any limited operation that would wound the regime but leave it alive and in place could give the Khomeinist system a second life.
Finally, there is agreement that the initial phase of action against the Ahmadinejad administration must be led by independent personalities with no partisan affiliations. Student activists, leaders of unofficial trade unions, women's rights advocates, well-known academics, managers of nongovernmental organizations, and even independent theologians, are expected to feature prominently in the initial stages of what opposition leaders believe is a decisive showdown with the regime.
The new consensus is already facing its first test over the campaign launched in favor of political prisoners.
Akbar Ganji, a former Revolutionary Guard interrogator-turned- dissident, gave the signal for the campaign last week during his current tour of Western capitals. Ganji, recently released from political prison after a solo hunger strike in Tehran, has called for a massive hunger strike, inside and outside Iran, in sympathy with political prisoners in the Islamic republic.
A number of prominent figures inside Iran have already echoed Ganji's call. These include Dr. Muhammad Maleki, a former chancellor of Tehran University under the Khomeinist regime, Mrs. Simin Behbahani, possibly the most popular Persian poet alive, and prominent Iranian-Kurdish writer Jalal Qavami. Mrs. Shirin Ebadi, the Iranian winner of the Nobel Peace Prize, is also expected to join, although she has been reluctant to challenge the regime openly. A number of prominent theologians in Qom and Mash'had, including Ayatollah Hassan San'ei, have also been contacted, to endorse the campaign.
No one knows quite how many political prisoners there are in the Islamic republic. (Estimates by human rights organizations, including Amnesty International, vary between 3,000 and 85,000. According to Iranian human rights groups, more than 2.5 million Iranians have been in and out of prison on various charges since 1979.)
"It is a measure of our national tragedy that almost anybody who is somebody has spent some time as political prisoner in the past quarter of a century," says Maleki. "We must make it clear that we cannot take any more of this. Enough is enough. No civilized society would put people in jail because of disagreement with the rulers."
Ahmadinejad is trying to cast himself in the role of a champion of Islam against the "infidel" by adopting a tough stance on the nuclear issue and preparing for a showdown with the G-8 next month. The challenge to his administration, however, may well be coming from Iran's factories, offices, universities, and religious seminaries. |
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Ganji, as a former Islamic Revolutionary Guard, he would be the last one I would trust.... no matter how much he washes his hands; as long as he lives, the blood stain of all the innocent military men & others will remain on his hands. Dr. Etebar was asking for witnesses to his crimes, they're all dead. Anyone that has been part of IRG, turst me, has butchered enough people to be eligible for life imprisonment. Now, that things have turned around, one by one are coming out and making statements to cover their past crimes. As long as people like Ganji, Sazagara, and their co-horts, do not condemn their bloody revolution and mf khomenie, it means they have the same mind set. Just simply covering their butt, by making few anti-regime statements....
NEVER, EVER, TRUST THE MEN THAT DECEIVED/BETRAYED YOU, OR YOU WILL MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE OVER & OVER AGAIN..... |
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[quote="AmirN"] Quote: | Though I am not very critical of him, I certainly don't see RP as a significant leadership personality at the present. |
RP, will be the the best monarch we can ever ask for. His leadership will never be a political one, but a moral one. As any monarch, his leadership is symbolic, like our flag that will bring people under one symble. Like any other King, his duties will be ceremonial and his job will be a public relation one, which after this filth of IRI it would be a monumental task to achieve. I believe with his good reputation, his world knowledge, his upbringing, he can restore our Persian Pride and herritage in the international community. And he is the only one that can achieve this.
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I think rather than get bogged down into a debate of personalities, being as one leads with ideas, it's essential to the success of "the opposition" for the leadership to simply act together in common purpose on the idea of regime change.
All else is simply wasted effort putting the cart before the horse.
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[quote="blank"] AmirN wrote: | Quote: | Though I am not very critical of him, I certainly don't see RP as a significant leadership personality at the present. |
RP, will be the the best monarch we can ever ask for. His leadership will never be a political one, but a moral one. As any monarch, his leadership is symbolic, like our flag that will bring people under one symble. Like any other King, his duties will be ceremonial and his job will be a public relation one, which after this filth of IRI it would be a monumental task to achieve. I believe with his good reputation, his world knowledge, his upbringing, he can restore our Persian Pride and herritage in the international community. And he is the only one that can achieve this. |
Right now Iran is under a second occupation by Taazi's, many of young children don't even know what our herritage is? their view of Iran is, what is fed to them by the Taazi's and their Hezbollah brothers. A Taazi way of life. Therefore, having a moral leadership, that can revive & emphasizes who Persians/Iranians are, is as important as having a political leadership.
Reza Pahlavi, is the moral leader that Iranians need, after the filth of IRI & their Hezbollah brothers have been dismantled. |
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[quote="blank"] blank wrote: | AmirN wrote: | Quote: | Though I am not very critical of him, I certainly don't see RP as a significant leadership personality at the present. |
RP, will be the the best monarch we can ever ask for. His leadership will never be a political one, but a moral one. As any monarch, his leadership is symbolic, like our flag that will bring people under one symble. Like any other King, his duties will be ceremonial and his job will be a public relation one, which after this filth of IRI it would be a monumental task to achieve. I believe with his good reputation, his world knowledge, his upbringing, he can restore our Persian Pride and herritage in the international community. And he is the only one that can achieve this. |
Right now Iran is under a second occupation by Taazi's, many of young children don't even know what our herritage is? their view of Iran is, what is fed to them by the Taazi's and their Hezbollah brothers. A Taazi way of life. Therefore, having a moral leadership, that can revive & emphasizes who Persians/Iranians are, is as important as having a political leadership.
Reza Pahlavi, is the moral leader that Iranians need, after the filth of IRI & their Hezbollah brothers have been dismantled. |
Dear Blank,
Thank you for your post. Certainly I agree with you Iran needs Moral Leader , don't you think Her Majesty Empress Farah Pahlavi has played that role in past 27 years. Prince Reza Pahlavi should consider to play more active role at this critical time in our history ….….
Leadership of freeing homeland from Taazi must follow Cyrus The Great model and not to be afraid of tough battles and able to take high risks and sacrifice ….
Prince Reza Pahlavi should not assume leadership without risk and like good General should be available in all kind of battles ….. and don’t be afraid of loosing battle.
We have not been impressed with Prince advisers and their performance in past 27 years…
The good Open Leadership must self review their own organization performance and take necessary actions based on facts … It is up to leadership to communicate with public and share the reality to manage public expectations …..
If Prince wish to be a Moral Leader, should openly communicate with public and provide logical reasoning.
Regards,
Cyrus |
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Blank Jan,
I believe you are correct in your assesment in many ways, however I see one of RP's biggest problems with being an effective leader at present is two-fold.
1. In many eyes, the "sins of the father..." are projected upon him. Fear-based and incorrect as this may be, it remains to inhibit his ability to pull the opposition movement together in solidarity, as manifest recently in the refusal of some to even discus the options or attend a meeting of minds. Royalists as well take the same attitude, refusing to meet with or discuss options,
(See New York Sun article on whitehouse meeting by Eli Lake posted by Cyrus )
and this continued infighting detracts from any progress that could be made, or any assistance the US gov may be of help with.
2. Practical leadership is needed as well as moral, and Farah Pahlavi's work on womans issue's and poverty is well known and indeed I believe, a good example, as Cyrus rightly noted.
By practical leadership, I mean as a "problem solver" and if there is one problem that has been generally expressed by all, is a lack of funds. Strike fund, communications , and all the rest (other than arms, which from RP's non-violent stance, he'd be loath to seek in all probability).
So pardon this American's butting in with an idea that may raise a cheer for RP from all concerned ( should he choose to accept this mission), but it seems to me that as Royalty, he stands in a unique position to seek funding from other Royal families in the region, who are growing very concerned with the present government of Iran's agenda in the region.
The Hashemite kingdom of Jordan, The Saudi Royal family, Oman, and others have a vested interest in a future free Iran that poses no threat to the region or the citizens and economic interests of these kingdoms.
From a very practical point of leadership, I believe he needs to take a road-trip on behalf of the people of Iran, and on behalf of the opposition itself (democrats, republicans, monarchists in equal measure) and elicit the kind of international support in practical measure needed to make regime change from within a working proposition.
Trust is earned, and I can't at the moment think of a better way for him to earn it than to become a working ambassador for the Iranian people.
A long time ago I gave RP a piece of my mind and a good piece of advice about America not long after he'd arrived, as he'd "asked for it" .
That he accepted it with grace ultimately is the reason I accepted his apology in kind.
And so by that, he's earned my respect as an individual since, and I his.
Now if the opposition is going to pull its act together, it will ultimately be by the concious realization as manifest in attitude and action that;
"We didn't all arrive here in the same boat, but we're all in the same boat now." -MLK |
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[quote="cyrus"] blank wrote: | blank wrote: | AmirN wrote: | Quote: | Though I am not very critical of him, I certainly don't see RP as a significant leadership personality at the present. |
RP, will be the the best monarch we can ever ask for. His leadership will never be a political one, but a moral one. As any monarch, his leadership is symbolic, like our flag that will bring people under one symble. Like any other King, his duties will be ceremonial and his job will be a public relation one, which after this filth of IRI it would be a monumental task to achieve. I believe with his good reputation, his world knowledge, his upbringing, he can restore our Persian Pride and herritage in the international community. And he is the only one that can achieve this. |
Right now Iran is under a second occupation by Taazi's, many of young children don't even know what our herritage is? their view of Iran is, what is fed to them by the Taazi's and their Hezbollah brothers. A Taazi way of life. Therefore, having a moral leadership, that can revive & emphasizes who Persians/Iranians are, is as important as having a political leadership.
Reza Pahlavi, is the moral leader that Iranians need, after the filth of IRI & their Hezbollah brothers have been dismantled. |
Dear Blank,
Thank you for your post. Certainly I agree with you Iran needs Moral Leader , don't you think Her Majesty Empress Farah Pahlavi has played that role in past 27 years. Prince Reza Pahlavi should consider to play more active role at this critical time in our history ….….
Leadership of freeing homeland from Taazi must follow Cyrus The Great model and not to be afraid of tough battles and able to take high risks and sacrifice ….
Prince Reza Pahlavi should not assume leadership without risk and like good General should be available in all kind of battles ….. and don’t be afraid of loosing battle.
We have not been impressed with Prince advisers and their performance in past 27 years…
The good Open Leadership must self review their own organization performance and take necessary actions based on facts … It is up to leadership to communicate with public and share the reality to manage public expectations …..
If Prince wish to be a Moral Leader, should openly communicate with public and provide logical reasoning.
Regards,
Cyrus |
Dear Cyrus:
Shahbanou will always remain the Mother of our country and the most beloved Queen in our recent history- after Arab invasion. Even her, has not been immune from criticism, because she smokes!
This is not the first time that I have heard similar statement as you said “he is not doing enough”! There are people that want him to do what his grandfather did. Go to Iran, and start a fight, they don’t realize, today Iran is not what it used to be 80-90 years ago. The current regime is a true evil, like an octopus, with so many tentacles, from Hezbollah, Hamas, Pasdaran, Revolutionary Guards, Al-Qaeda, and Palestinian; each arm is there to ensure the opposition is destroyed, by any means, inside or outside of the country. Not only that, each tentacle is extended from Afghanistan to Iraq to Lebanon, again to ensure the evil will stay in power. What really is frightening, they say now Lebanon is 60% Hezbollah or their sympathizer, that is one reason, even the so called “democratically” elected president is pro-Hezbollah and pro Syrian. I am afraid Iran will not be any better off.
To me, the suggestion that he should go to Iran, is so unreasonable & crazy, that they might as well ask him to commit suicide, because the minute he steps foot on Iran he will be captured and hanged. Then my question is? How useful is a dead person to our cause, for that reason alone, I would advise him not to listen to illogical suggestions like that.
For the past twenty years, Reza Pahlavi, has been active, by his writings, speeches, interviews, media appearances, participating in hunger strike, demonstration in L.A. Every opportunity that he has been given by the media, he has expressed the plight of Iranian people, and their longing for democracy. He does have to be very careful, because there have been two assassination attempts on his life. The second criticism is about his advisors, which I don’t fully understand, because no one gives any specific examples. Again, as I said previously if we want a monarchy based on what is in Europe or Japan, he cannot be political; in the sense of decision making. I see him as the moral leader that Iran needs badly. He will never claim, announce, or communicate that he is the king, or the moral leader of Iranian people, unlike what some people expect him to do. It is our individual choice whether we would like to see him as our king & moral leader or not. Frankly, I look around I don’t see anyone better. Having said that, we do need to look for a leader, who would be involved in the political decision making. |
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[quote="blank"] cyrus wrote: | blank wrote: | blank wrote: | AmirN wrote: | Quote: | Though I am not very critical of him, I certainly don't see RP as a significant leadership personality at the present. |
RP, will be the the best monarch we can ever ask for. His leadership will never be a political one, but a moral one. As any monarch, his leadership is symbolic, like our flag that will bring people under one symble. Like any other King, his duties will be ceremonial and his job will be a public relation one, which after this filth of IRI it would be a monumental task to achieve. I believe with his good reputation, his world knowledge, his upbringing, he can restore our Persian Pride and herritage in the international community. And he is the only one that can achieve this. |
Right now Iran is under a second occupation by Taazi's, many of young children don't even know what our herritage is? their view of Iran is, what is fed to them by the Taazi's and their Hezbollah brothers. A Taazi way of life. Therefore, having a moral leadership, that can revive & emphasizes who Persians/Iranians are, is as important as having a political leadership.
Reza Pahlavi, is the moral leader that Iranians need, after the filth of IRI & their Hezbollah brothers have been dismantled. |
Dear Blank,
Thank you for your post. Certainly I agree with you Iran needs Moral Leader , don't you think Her Majesty Empress Farah Pahlavi has played that role in past 27 years. Prince Reza Pahlavi should consider to play more active role at this critical time in our history ….….
Leadership of freeing homeland from Taazi must follow Cyrus The Great model and not to be afraid of tough battles and able to take high risks and sacrifice ….
Prince Reza Pahlavi should not assume leadership without risk and like good General should be available in all kind of battles ….. and don’t be afraid of loosing battle.
We have not been impressed with Prince advisers and their performance in past 27 years…
The good Open Leadership must self review their own organization performance and take necessary actions based on facts … It is up to leadership to communicate with public and share the reality to manage public expectations …..
If Prince wish to be a Moral Leader, should openly communicate with public and provide logical reasoning.
Regards,
Cyrus |
Dear Cyrus:
Shahbanou will always remain the Mother of our country and the most beloved Queen in our recent history- after Arab invasion. Even her, has not been immune from criticism, because she smokes!
This is not the first time that I have heard similar statement as you said “he is not doing enough”! There are people that want him to do what his grandfather did. Go to Iran, and start a fight, they don’t realize, today Iran is not what it used to be 80-90 years ago. The current regime is a true evil, like an octopus, with so many tentacles, from Hezbollah, Hamas, Pasdaran, Revolutionary Guards, Al-Qaeda, and Palestinian; each arm is there to ensure the opposition is destroyed, by any means, inside or outside of the country. Not only that, each tentacle is extended from Afghanistan to Iraq to Lebanon, again to ensure the evil will stay in power. What really is frightening, they say now Lebanon is 60% Hezbollah or their sympathizer, that is one reason, even the so called “democratically” elected president is pro-Hezbollah and pro Syrian. I am afraid Iran will not be any better off.
To me, the suggestion that he should go to Iran, is so unreasonable & crazy, that they might as well ask him to commit suicide, because the minute he steps foot on Iran he will be captured and hanged. Then my question is? How useful is a dead person to our cause, for that reason alone, I would advise him not to listen to illogical suggestions like that.
For the past twenty years, Reza Pahlavi, has been active, by his writings, speeches, interviews, media appearances, participating in hunger strike, demonstration in L.A. Every opportunity that he has been given by the media, he has expressed the plight of Iranian people, and their longing for democracy. He does have to be very careful, because there have been two assassination attempts on his life. The second criticism is about his advisors, which I don’t fully understand, because no one gives any specific examples. Again, as I said previously if we want a monarchy based on what is in Europe or Japan, he cannot be political; in the sense of decision making. I see him as the moral leader that Iran needs badly. He will never claim, announce, or communicate that he is the king, or the moral leader of Iranian people, unlike what some people expect him to do. It is our individual choice whether we would like to see him as our king & moral leader or not. Frankly, I look around I don’t see anyone better. Having said that, we do need to look for a leader, who would be involved in the political decision making. |
Dear Blank,
For clarification I have never suggested RP should go to Iran....
I think it is up to Prince to communicate his leadership short term and long term tasks and possible strategy.
It is up to leadership of FREE Iran movement to manage public expectations and communicate difficulties, obstacles and their limitations.
Regards,
Cyrus |
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